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Two lawmakers want to split state's electoral votes by House district
AP ^ | 12/1/4

Posted on 12/01/2004 6:14:40 PM PST by SmithL

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To: flashbunny
What it will serve to do is highlight the hypocrisy of liberals who want the same thing done in conservative states in order to gain electoral votes,

Egggzactly.

This is one of several shots across the bow I've noticed coming from the Republican side and maybe I'm wrong characterizing it as such.

But tonight on Hardball I noticed that ambitious witch from New Jersey...something Brentweiser, had herself another 9-11 survivor who gave her a run for her money.

My point being that the Repubs seem to be even-ing the playing field as the Dems have run rough shod and unfettered too long.

I've also noticed a nice fight back campaign going over that so-called intelligence reform bill.

That bid by those Repubs in California over splitting the electoral votes I read as nothing less than the GOP sending a message to the Dems: If the supreme court doesn't stop that split vote silliness than we can fight fire with fire.

As for the Jersey Girls, they did more damage to the Bush campaign this past election cycle than anything else I could name. and why? Because they were allowed to speak uncontested. Methinks the pubs got some 9-11 survivors and gave them some talking points. They wear the mantle of victim of 9/11 and this gives them some legitimacy. Don't tell me this Brentweiser woman hasn't been promised a chance at an elected office by the Dems, don't you dare because you will be wrong. All she has to do is wear her victimhood splendidly on the national forum and push the Dem agenda.

Neither agenda of which is, you understand, anything about what's good for America. The Dems want that stupid intelligence reform bill passed and they don't want anyone mentioning that little matter of the drivers licenses as the MVA is source of many demo votes.

Now we have the Pubs out mentioning great big ole California and how about we split up these electoral votes like the Dems want in THEIR states. I imagine there would be quite a few California Repubs that would love to see this as a referendum so sick they must be of having Los Angeles and San Fran always dictating their state's national direction. And the pubs know the Dems HAVE to know this.

Nothing's gonna come of it but hey, it's sweeeeeet to finally see the pubs taking a clue and fighting back.

81 posted on 12/01/2004 9:13:29 PM PST by Fishtalk (Once a liberal and victim of all the spin. Ask me to interpret.)
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To: Bernard

Actually this splitting of electoral votes is consistent with the Constitution if that is the method a state prefers.


82 posted on 12/01/2004 9:23:41 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: SmithL

I say we do it. CA went for Kerry b/c of LA and SF. MI went for Kerry b/c of Detroit. PA went for Kerry b/c of Philadelphia. NY went for Kerry b/c of NYC. Outside of the cities, a majority of the state went for Bush


83 posted on 12/01/2004 9:50:46 PM PST by conservativeinferno (My SUV is the urban squirrel's worst predator.)
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To: SmithL

Instead of battleground "states" we'll have battleground counties, districts, ad nauseum...no solution. Only the further erosion of the Republic towards pure democracy..an evil in itself. Mob rule by morons who can barely be held in check by the current system in the face of unbridled immigration and moral depravity. This is an idea which will destroy the country [what's left of it] if allowed to proceed.


84 posted on 12/01/2004 10:32:21 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Indie

Of course it is only good when it is a state like CA to the resident hypocrites. Try throwing that out in TX and listen to the howls.


85 posted on 12/01/2004 10:35:02 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Perdogg
Frankly, the legislator, if wanted too, could deny the public the right to vote in a Presidential election.

Just as South Carolina did prior to the Civil War. The legislature picked the electors -- no public vote for President at all.

86 posted on 12/01/2004 10:36:18 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Whitehawk
actually, electoral votes should be assigned by counties imho

You've got to be kidding. Loving County, Texas (population 62) would get one electoral vote and Los Angeles County, California (population 9,871,506) would also get one electoral vote?

87 posted on 12/01/2004 10:43:38 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: frannie

Well we will control the House in the 109th Congress by a margin of 233-201-1.

President Bush won 31 states to Kerry's 19 plus DC.

So in this system Bush would have won 295-243, not deviating very far from our actual EC win of 286-252.


88 posted on 12/01/2004 10:50:22 PM PST by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: jackbill
Two points: 1. Read Article I. 2. Consider the revolution if a state tried to deny the people the right to vote on Electors.

From the founding of the country until the Civil War, the South Carolina legislature chose the state's electors. There was no popular vote at all there. None.

89 posted on 12/01/2004 10:50:49 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

May or may not be a good idea, but it will never happen,
because the only possible beneficiaries are the Republicans. The authors are foolish to think that it would bring California more attention. Our districts are nearly all solidly Democratic or Republican. It would be pointless for either party's candidate to campaign here. Even if we get a redistricting that opens up several districts to real competition, that would still be only the equivalent of a small state. While it would bring more attention to California, it would hardly make us the center of a presidential campaign.

Call this one a non-starter, at any rate, 'cause it is.


90 posted on 12/01/2004 11:00:02 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: Cicero
I'm not sure if this is a good idea. It would lead to tinkering with the process in every state, according to which party would benefit and which party happened to be in control, and probably it would also lead to interference in the process by judges, who have already imposed all sorts of redistricting decisions on the state legislatures.

While it would be good for Republicans, I would hate to see this become the rage. Rural states have increased electoral power the way it is now, the yeoman farmer concept. Its a good thing.
91 posted on 12/01/2004 11:16:26 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Thank you very much for the valuable table showing results under the Maine-Nebraska system.

The value of Maine-Nebraska is that it provides the optimum granularity of a limited winner-take-all system. A pure popular vote system is undesirable, since it would subject the entire country to endless recounts and lawsuits in any close Presidential election, as well as giving undue influence to a few heavily urban population centers.

On the other hand, the present state-wide system marginalizes all but a few "battlefield" states. Voters in Texas and California and New York and most other states where the outcome is a foregone conclusion are effectively disenfranchised in selecting a President. However, the present system does have the advantage of limiting the damage of close elections to one or a handful of states. Florida in 2000 and (to a much lesser extent) Ohio in 2004 were the only states where recounts and legal challenges were even an issue.

Setting the granularity at the Congressional District level (with the proviso that redistricting reform is essential to prevent gerrymandering) maintains all the advantages and eliminates all the disadvantages of the current Electoral College system. Recounts and lawsuits will be limited to a handful of Congressional Districts (rather than an entire state) in the case of a close Presidential election. Competitive Congressional Districts will exist in most states, meaning that Presidential candidates will have to campaign throughout the country.

The Main-Nebraska system still gives consideration to states' rights, since in addition to the Congressional Districts every state would have two Electoral votes (corresponding to its two Senators) which would go to the winner of the State as a whole.

The Main-Nebraska system addresses the inequity of having 100% of a state's Electoral votes automatically go to a candidate who wins by even a 50.001% margin, so proponents of a pure popular vote system have some of their concerns addressed. But it leaves open the possibility that a candidate could still sweep a state's Electoral votes by battling and winning within each Congressional District. It makes it more likely that a small edge in the popular vote spread throughout the country will translate into a substantial and inarguable margin in the Electoral College.


92 posted on 12/02/2004 12:18:56 AM PST by dpwiener
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To: Reaganez; Cacique
WA Democrats:

(In unison.)

FOUR TIMES OVER!

93 posted on 12/02/2004 12:28:12 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: pete anderson
What about the Republicans that were against the Colorado Plan?

If they are honest, they'll oppose the California plan too.

94 posted on 12/02/2004 3:49:21 AM PST by RobFromGa (End the Filibuster for Judicial appointments in January 05)
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To: dpwiener
(with the proviso that redistricting reform is essential to prevent gerrymandering)

I don't know how that can be accomplished. If you don't take politics into account when drawing the lines, what do you use? A dartboard? Even trying to be apolitical in these lines is political.

95 posted on 12/02/2004 3:58:07 AM PST by RobFromGa (End the Filibuster for Judicial appointments in January 05)
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To: HostileTerritory
Illinois would be Iowa if not for Cook County. :)

With all due respect:
Illinois would be Iowa Paradise if not for Cook County. :)

96 posted on 12/02/2004 4:00:37 AM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: HostileTerritory

The Big Red Map shows that if this were made the national standard, we'd eat the Dems' lunch every time.


97 posted on 12/02/2004 4:11:21 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Whitehawk
As others have noted, county populations vary widely.

But by the way, not everyone even lives in a "county." In Virginia, cities and counties are different entities with, among other things, different taxing authority. Northern Virginia examples: Alexandria is a city that is NOT in a county. Arlington is a county without any cities. (Those relatively tall buildings in "Crystal City" and Roslyn are in Arlington County, not a city.)

To make it more interesting, Fairfax City is entirely surrounded by Fairfax County. Fairfax City residents do not vote in Fairfax County elections.

By your plan, how would Fairfax City and Alexandria vote for President? (Yeah, I know, the whole area went "blue," but note the Swift Vets address in Alexandria.)
98 posted on 12/02/2004 4:18:06 AM PST by StayAt HomeMother
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To: Soul Seeker
Instead, I recommend all Californian Conservatives migrate.

Why don't you try migrating here.

99 posted on 12/02/2004 7:03:02 AM PST by Smogger
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To: RobFromGa

And all the Republicans who were against it in Colorado will be for it in California. And they'll be hypocrites, too.

And whatever happened to all the cries for Federalism I see here on FR?


100 posted on 12/02/2004 8:53:57 AM PST by RonF
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