Western aggression (on the Ukraine)

The Spectator ^ | 6 November 2004 | John Laughland

[Destro]

The Spectator was established in 1828, and is the oldest continuously published magazine in the English language.

[Destro]

bump

[Hoplite]

Poor Destro - your allegiance to Orthodoxy, in this case the tie with Russia, puts you just as in the wrong in your postings on the Ukraine as your tie with Serbia puts you in the wrong on our Balkan threads.

You should try promoting American values, like free elections, rather than pimping yourself out for some foreign Church.

[eluminate]

thats only the tip of the iceberg...

do some searches on church burnings so far I found 4 where 3 moscow patriarchate orthodox churches & 1 ukranian orthodox church were burned in Lviv-IvanoFrankivsk-Ternopil regions.

[Destro]

The UK's Spectator is now the voice of the Orthodox religion? And here I thought it was the voice of the British Conservative Tories. Anyway are you saying that this expose should not have been posted?

[crazyhorse691]

I am still trying to get up to speed on the Ukraine and its problems. However, this article seems to be slanted towards mother Russia a tad. It contains all the props (antijew, militias, skinheads, forced conversions, NATO) to count as a biased rant. Hence, it's value is more subjective than substance.

[traviskicks]

"So too does evidence of crude intimidation made by Yushchenko supporters against election officials. "
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Whatever... thats why when they changed the rules to allow parliments to vote on a secret ballot they gave a vote of no confidence to the Russia backed guy. Before, when were all identified by their votes, they couldn't because of the intimindation of the mafiosa type crowd.

weird article.

[Destro]

It is supposed to be subjective.

[crazyhorse691]

Well, nobody made me cue up this thread. It's my own fault.

[eluminate]

So only one side is evil and the other is perfect democratic legion of goodness in your view? and if you have something to say you are a biased no good s.o.b. who is against democracy.

Whos one sided here ah? Only one side shown on tv but there is two sides to the story ... people voted for Yanukovich maybe the elections were fixed but not all 15 million votes were fake.

[crazyhorse691]

I really have no idea what you are talking about. I merely said that the piece was biased. If that provokes you because of who knows what, then, explain to me rationally what you are babbling about.

[GMMAC]

... but Destro's tireless pimping for the dark forces of reaction and on-going slander and disinformation campaign against the Ukrainian people in general, and their reform movement in particular, puts him in such marvelous company:
CBS AND THE DEFAMATION OF UKRAINE
http://www.infoukes.com/politics/cbs60minutes/kuropas/

Unless Ronald Reagan opts to speak from the great beyond, the Iron Lady's take on matters Ukrainian is good enough for me:

"The West and its leaders must act decisively to support the brave Ukrainian democrats in their struggle." - Lady Margaret Thatcher
Source:http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=629805&section=news

[NZerFromHK]

Why do I have a feeling that it reads a lot like the 1960s "Third Worldist" Indonesian President Sukarno's rants against "neocolonialism" and "Western imperialism"?

[Hoplite]

What I'm saying is that if you weren't so hell bent on supporting that which you think is in the best interests of your co-religionists, you'd have figured out that Laughland is an Anti-American twit long ago, and would save his swill for the nitwits over at Antiwar.com rather than wasting FR's server space with it.

[Destro]

Torie and anti-American? In what universe?

[Destro]

Yea - only this time the slant is right wing.

[Hoplite]

I find it bizarre how much support Yanukovich is getting on FR.

I would have figured that democracy would have been one of those simple litmus tests we could all agree upon.

[A. Pole]

I find it bizarre how much support Yanukovich is getting on FR.

Why is that the same people who support KLA, support also Yushchenko?

[Destro]

Shadow of Anti-Semitism over Ukraine's Disputed Election

[Agog]

John Laughland is clearly anti-American, if he were to be shown to be a Torie I would be quite surprised. What is thouroughly disgusting is that such an example of yellow journalism is being posted as a serious article. Laughland is a member of that hallowed pantheon of journalists who write for the Guardian. Some examples of his writing will help you get a sense of where he is coming from (and where the Putin groupies are coming from as well):

The Prague racket
Nato is now a device to exert control and extract cash. Those who resist, like Belarus, are punished
John Laughland
Friday November 22, 2002
The Guardian

The revolution televised
The western media's view of Ukraine's election is hopelessly biased
John Laughland
Saturday November 27, 2004
The Guardian

John Laughland: Who observes the observers?
The west's condemnation of Zimbabwe's election process is a breathtaking case of double standards. The chasm that opened up between the various teams of observers at the Zimbabwean elections shows the urgency of reformulating one of the oldest questions of political philosophy: who observes the observers?
By Guardian Newspapers, 3/18/2002


Oil will be the driving factor for military intervention in Sudan
By John Laughland
August 3, 2004
The Guardian, August 2, 2004