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To: cainin04
I was talking about gays claiming it was their human rights that were at stake

Have you ever talked with gays? ... They always compare it to the civil rights of the 60's

13 posted on 12/01/2004 7:02:14 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: Mo1

Ok, sorry about that. I misread what you were saying.

Yeah, I agree, what humans rights are being violated!

Good question, but don't expect an answer. I have asked this to several gays and to a group of hetersexuals who are pro gay-marriage. And guess what, I have never gotten a real answer.

one conversation went like this...

Gay: Two loving people should be able to marry no matter if it is two men.

Will: What about people that want to marry more than one person? If we allow gays to marry each other, then we will have to allow people to marry 7 wives.

Gay: Well that is different, marriage is between two adults.

Will: No, it is between two adult human beings that are of the opposite sex. But since you say it is between two adults, what about a man who wants to marry his horse--an adult horse?

Gay: Well, we can't allow that, but gays don't hurt anything.

Will: Pologamy, beastality, and homosexual behavior are all harmful to our culture.

Gay: Whatever.


16 posted on 12/01/2004 7:09:53 AM PST by cainin04 (Concerned)
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To: Mo1
Oh you know how homosexualists are, everything is SO over the top with them. It is hard to take them seriously.

I would check the on-line dictionary tomorrow I hear they are eliminating the word Evil and Abnormal so as not to hurt anyone's feelings.
18 posted on 12/01/2004 7:11:02 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Mo1; All

They always compare it to the civil rights of the 60's


Indeed they do. However they are wrong:


Homosexuality is Not a Civil Right

The assertion that homosexuals are a true minority group is false. Minority status has been determined by the U.S. Supreme Court Based on three criteria:

1. Economic Deprivation -- NO! Those engaged in the homosexual lifestyle are among the most advantaged people in the U.S. On average, they have a higher per capita income than heterosexuals, and higher household incomes.

(W.S. Journal, 2/10/89; N.Y. Times, 8/22/90).

2. Political Powerlessness -- NO! Homosexuals demonstrate great influential political power far beyond their actual numbers. The Human Rights Campaign Fund has annually donated millions of dollars to candidates, more than most other non-corporate PACs (The Economist, 4/24/93). Media news and entertainment coverage is overwhelmingly favorable. (Turn your TV on!)

3. Immutable Characteristics -- NO! Minority groups share unchangeable, benign, non-behavioral traits such as race, ethnicity, disability or national origin. Homosexuals are the only group to claim minority status based on behavior!



Special Class Protections for Self-Alleged Gays: A Question of "Orientation" and Consequences - A Public Policy Analysis by Tony Marco

From the Author's Foreword:

"... First, you may be surprised that "gay rights" is not described herein as a "moral issue." Second, you won't find homosexual behavior as a primary civil rights issue factor in this paper. Third, you may be surprised to learn that, as "gay rights" activists now define their position, "gayness" and protection of "gay rights" doesn't involve behavioral issues at all. Let me explain further...

Most people, both gay and "straight," who are concerned with the "gay rights" issue believe the intent of "gay rights" to involve the legal protection of homosexuals and their behavior, so as to (1) prevent homosexuals from suffering "discrimination" and (2) enable any "gay" person to "claim discrimination" under civil rights laws.

However, this understanding is now incorrect -- because gay activists and "gay rights" supporters have, in fact, redefined the issue. Here is a current operative definition of "gay rights" as gay activists and their attorneys themselves now define the concept: "Gay rights" involves the acquisition by all self-allegedly gay, lesbian and bisexual people of a special, "protected" status under civil rights law equal to that enjoyed by recognized "minority" groups, BASED SOLELY ON HOW ANYONE CLAIMING TO BE GAY, LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL MERELY SAYS HE OR SHE DESIRES TO ENGAGE IN SEX.

Notice that "gay rights," as avowed gay activists and their supporters now define them, are not awarded based on how people have sex, nor on how they want to have sex, but solely on how they say they want to have sex. This distinction's full significance will become clearer as you read on..."



24 posted on 12/01/2004 7:27:52 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Mo1

The homosexuals also spin the misinformation that ALL opposition to same sex marriage or homosexuals in generals is ONLY based on religion.


35 posted on 12/01/2004 8:27:26 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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