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Landscape Architects: Deer Are Designing Future Look of Forests
Wall Street Journal ^ | December 1, 2004 | JAMES P. STERBA

Posted on 12/01/2004 4:36:16 AM PST by Tom D.

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Another victory for the environmental crowd.
1 posted on 12/01/2004 4:36:16 AM PST by Tom D.
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To: Tom D.

I couldn't see the rest of the article. Where does the environmental crowd play into this story? When I was young, my ma was a leftie type, and she used to point out the deer from the car--oooh ohhh, look at the deer!--and she also referred to hunters in disparaging terms--beer swillers, drunks--and probably opposed deer hunting at some point if she got the opportunity. Is that how the enviros figure into this story? Here in NJ, we got plenty of deer. It's hunting season this week, I think. I don't hunt so I have no idea what the limit is on deer, and how that jives with our deer population. I'm always looking out for em while driving, that's for sure. Deer are definitely plentiful, and definitely a factor in the smaller growth and saplings, etc.


2 posted on 12/01/2004 4:40:47 AM PST by Huck (The day will come when liberals will complain that chess is too violent .)
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To: Huck

Only a week?? In Michigan we have deer hunting for months rifle season, Bow season and muzzle load season and the deer are still like rats, they are everywhere!!


3 posted on 12/01/2004 4:46:48 AM PST by Luigi Vasellini
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To: Tom D.

My lefty in-laws live in a rich town in Connecticut. Hate Bush, Loved Kerry. Love the environment. They HATE deer. The deer ruin their gardens. They just wish SOMEONE could do SOMETHING about the dang deer. I mentioned hunting and they were horrified! There has to be some other way ...


4 posted on 12/01/2004 4:56:08 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Huck

Just across the Delaware from NJ is a "wildflower preserve". It is enclosed by a very expensive fence, about 12 feet high, with electric gates to let cars in and out. Why is this fence there? To keep the damn deer out.


5 posted on 12/01/2004 4:57:03 AM PST by Fresh Wind (All we are say-y-y-y-ing is give Beast a chance!)
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To: Tom D.
That means little trees aren't growing up to eventually replace big trees. Example: oaks. Deer love acorns. Surviving acorns sprout seedlings. Deer love them, too. Surviving seedlings become saplings. Deer strip them of leaves and bark. They die.

Who, exactly, does Mr. Sterba thinks is his audience in this article*? 6-year olds?

* Rhetorical question

6 posted on 12/01/2004 4:58:25 AM PST by Lil'freeper (Error 404. The page you requested was not found.)
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To: Luigi Vasellini
I just looked it up here: NJ DEER SEASON. Maybe you can tell me how it compares. I too think of deer like rats. Especially now with lyme disease carried by the deer ticks.
7 posted on 12/01/2004 5:01:11 AM PST by Huck (The day will come when liberals will complain that chess is too violent .)
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To: Tom D.

"... whitetails have been eating their way toward a more lasting legacy: They are wreaking ecological havoc in forests across the nation."

No way. It's all Bush's fault. And SUVs.


8 posted on 12/01/2004 5:01:40 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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To: Luigi Vasellini; Tom D.

Here in Alabama, deer season starts on 15 October for bow hunting. Gun season starts in mid-November. The season ends the last day of January.

My in-laws own 400 acres of mountain land. We've taken 11 deer this year and the place is still covered in deer. In one location, about as big as a football field, we saw 14 deer this last weekend. It's a major crossing area where several deer trails converge. I took my first deer there this weekend.

The main reason for the lack of new growth described in this article is the lack of logging. Mature trees with their thick canopy prevent the emergence of new growth. Selective logging to thin the mature trees so that sunlight will reach the forest floor allowing for the new growth to emerge. It's also good for the deer since there will be more new growth for them as well. We've also planted 10 acres of food plots.

The selective logging also leaves a lot of tree tops which the deer use for food sources and cover. It's not uncommon to find fawns hidden in the tree tops left from the logging.

Those with private land can manage their property to provide a better forest and increased wildlife if the environmentalists nazis will keep out of the way.


9 posted on 12/01/2004 5:01:47 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Tom D.

This reminds me of what goats have done to areas where they are turned loose to feed for "free" to be harvested later for "free" meat. On some formerly lush Carribean islands they have eaten every bit of vegetation until all that are left are heavily thorned bushes and trees. Natural selection in action.


10 posted on 12/01/2004 5:03:45 AM PST by Stirner
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In S.C., we hunt them from August to January, some areas using dogs and bait. And they're still overpopulated.


11 posted on 12/01/2004 5:10:19 AM PST by rebelyell
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To: Tom D.
I'm totally over the deity status that architects -- landscape and the other kind -- bestow upon themselves in their self-appointed mission to design away life's troubles.

Time for a reality check. It's pencils and paper, boys. The deer did just fine before you came to save them. And architecture has never improved upon the New England saltbox or the Parthenon. Get over it.

12 posted on 12/01/2004 5:12:23 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: Tom D.

Ah, but it's true. Deer are he mammal version of Locusts - very destructive. This is not an article supporting environmentalists. It's an argument for venison stew.


13 posted on 12/01/2004 5:13:23 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: Huck
Although the rules for Deer hunting in NJ are managed by the State, the limits vary by county and in some cases by individual region or forest (WMA).

There are also occasional special hunts to lower the saturation level of deer in a particular park or forest. These hunts typically last only a few days, and are announced late in the season with little or no public notice.

There are also other areas where the local community doesn't allow hunting at all and instead brings in "sharpshooters" and pays them to limit their Deer population. Princeton and Bridgewater New Jersey are both guilty of this idiocy. If I'm not mistaken, the meat and hides are all "disposed of".

Apart from the usual safety gear, weapon, and other implements of traditional deer hunting, in New Jersey there is one other thing you need....a lawyer.

Now that I've been in New Jersey long enough to get the lay of the land, I get the impression that the state realizes the costs of such severe limits on hunting, but they are unable to do much about it given the generation or two of constant anti-gun and anti-hunting indoctrination they've done.

Of course I could be wrong. It could be that the state is just run by a bunch of dim witted, tree hugging lefties that wouldn't know how to scratch their nether region without an environmental impact statement, and a state appointed committee.

14 posted on 12/01/2004 5:16:34 AM PST by tcostell
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To: DugwayDuke
...We've also planted 10 acres of food plots.

what are these? sounds good

15 posted on 12/01/2004 5:21:32 AM PST by 1234 (Border control or IMPEACHMENT)
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To: Lil'freeper

I'm guessing that he is actually trying to use reason to change the minds of those opposed to hunting. Of course, you and I know that using reason on a lefty is pointless.


16 posted on 12/01/2004 5:24:21 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Tom D.
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I say "Let's arm the squirrels!!"

17 posted on 12/01/2004 5:25:30 AM PST by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: Tom D.

DEER ARE VERMIN!!! Why the hell they get protection by our own government is insane to me. They are just giant RATS!

There are more deer in my state than there are people!

There are more White Tail Deer in the US today than there were when the pilgrims landed!

You can see dead dear on the highways everywhere, and for every dead deer is a far too common story of tragedy for a human being of human family that had the misfortune of having the giant rat jump out in front of them.


18 posted on 12/01/2004 5:26:31 AM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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"In S.C., we hunt them from August to January, some areas using dogs and bait. And they're still overpopulated."

Are you referring to deer or PETA?

19 posted on 12/01/2004 5:27:23 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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Deer are bad for the planet Earth.

All hunters are part of PETA's greater plan.

20 posted on 12/01/2004 5:27:51 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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