Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies (The "Final Solution," Part Deux)

Yahoo! News (AP) ^ | 11/30/2004 | Toby Sterling

[windchime]

Bump!

[TaxRelief]

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[TaxRelief]

Who will grow the tulips?

[MHGinTN]

Ah yes, the 'killing cures societal ills and relieves responsibility' approach. I too am finding your assertive remarks interesting, though somewhat disgusting. You do represent a significant segment of this nation's citizens.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

I'm sure that she is.

Boxer is probably the single worst product that Kings County ever exported.

Too bad she didn't take Chuck Schumer with her when she left.

[little jeremiah]

I agree. If life is sacred (and it is) then ALL life is sacred. And when motivations for speeding up others' deaths are looked at carefully, there is always a component of selfishness - it's easier for those who aren't dying (yet) if the ones who are dying have their departure hastened.

[AnAmericanMother]

Got it already!

I believe that a "liberal education" in the old traditional sense of the trivium and quadrivium is the best education anyone can have to fit him for any job going.

[AnAmericanMother]

Yeah, the Princeton guys used to import ladies from elsewhere for the weekend.

They didn't "date" Princeton girls even after we were there. I had lots of good friends who happened to be male, but no romantic interest on campus at all.

(Of course, that may have had something to do with the fact that my now husband (of 27 years) was in the Army and 6'6" and 200 # - he used to come by on weekends in his greens to intimidate anybody who might be expressing an interest that way . . . )

[AnAmericanMother]

We can't communicate in an Anglican church, no matter how conservative, unless they've joined the Catholics under the Anglican Use Rite.

I saw the Huntersville Church website & it looks very good, but 6 miles is a long way when you don't have a car (does Davidson allow freshmen to have cars?)

[editor-surveyor]

"Who will grow the tulips?"

I guess the dead babies can push them up?

[TaxRelief]

I'll check and see how the Catholic kids are getting to church...

[FITZ]

At least the Muslims have the (small) sense not to abort their kids. But I think that's more for propagation purposes than anything else.

Can't say much for Muslims when they're willing instead to let the baby grow up a little and then put bombs on him and send him to kill a few Israelis.

[AnAmericanMother]

Thanks! I really appreciate that! If they have a regular convoy or caravan down to Huntersville, that would be great (it also means she'd be hanging with the devout kids, which is a Good Thing.)

[narses]

Abortion BEYOND the third trimester.

[Gondring]

No, the only problem with social security is the 45 million aborted citizens that will never have a job or contribute.

All Ponzi schemes are losers for the last ones in, if enough new suckers participants can't be found.

[Gondring]

If people want to commit suicide, that's their business. Once it becomes the government's business to "assist", the slippery slope comes into effect, just as this article (and my comments) indicate. No amount of "feelings" and "my friend" anecdotes can change this reality.

I'm not the one asking the government to be involved. I'm saying that the government should stay out of health care, and let the patients and physicians decide. The problem addressed in the article is those patients who cannot communicate their preferences.

So, I agree...let's not let end of life decisions be "the government's business." Let's allow a person to obtain and use means to end his own life that are more civilized than dehydration. Let's allow a person assist a person in need, without harassing and prosecuting them.

When people are getting ready to die, they don't want to drink any more. You can call it dehydration, but they don't*want*to*drink.

Like you said, anecdotes aren't going to change things, and your experiences fail to account for those who aren't in those end stages where they don't want to drink. The dehydration to which I referred was the removal of hydration tubes (for someone in a PVS, for example), but just as relevant are those who are concious and would simply like a way to actively end things less painfully rather than wait for the decline.

[Gondring]

If life is sacred (and it is) then ALL life is sacred. And when motivations for speeding up others' deaths are looked at carefully, there is always a component of selfishness - it's easier for those who aren't dying (yet) if the ones who are dying have their departure hastened.

What if a planned departure is desired by the person who is ill? Do you think those people who help their spouses die peacefully are doing so selfishly? I believe many times people selfishly prevent others from escaping the pain they are in, and guilt them into staying alive beyond when they'd want to.

[Gondring]

We must revere life, especially the lives of the most young and helpless. But also the lives of our elders. That is the glue that holds civilization together

Likewise, we must revere rights and compassion.

[Gondring]

If a child will never survive why prolong its agony?

Because doing the compassionate thing would require a moral compass and not just some clichés and washing of the hands. People treat their animals better than they'd treat a suffering human. :-(