Posted on 11/30/2004 9:14:15 AM PST by cainin04
Over the past days there has been a great discussion about the role of the theory of evolution and whether it alone or the thoughts on Intellegent Design should be taught in schools.
I made the argument that Darwinsism attempts to replace God. "If you have Darwinism there is no need for God the Creator." But many of the Free Republic members disagreed.
Read the text from this recent text book used today in public schools and draw your own conclusions. I found this in Lee Stroble's "Case for a Creator."
Futuyma Douglas author of "Evolutionary Biology"--page 3--"By coupling undirected, purposeless variation to the blind, uncaring process of natural selection, Darwin made theological or spiritual explanations of the life processes superflous."
The book "Sign of Intellegence" cites several of the other popular text books. The writers cite the terms used to describe evolution; "evolution is random and undirected,"without plan or purpose,"Darwin gave biology a sound scientific basis by attributing the diversity of life to natural causes rather than the supernatural creation."
Stroble also cites an article from Time Magazine, "Charles Darwin didn't want to murder God, as he once put it. But he did."
One can read text book after text book, they all come to the same conclusion--Darwin replaced God.
Why then is a theory that has so many holes in it, still being taught as "fact?" Many excuses could be listed, but I would say it is just part of the liberal establishment trying to remove God from our schools and our country as a whole. In history class we can't read the "Declaration of ID" or say the Pledge of Allegiance, because they mention God; in English we can't read a story from the Bible, because that is seperation of church and state--yet we CAN read other religous materials as long as they are not Christian; and of course in science class we can't mention ID because that would include God.
Americans are going to have to stand up. We can not sit back and watch these atheistic liberals have every mention of God removed from our country. If we do stand up, not only will we produce children who have no understanding of our country, our history, or our values, but we will also see our nation fall into a great moral decline.
However, I do not think we are going to allow that to occur. In this last election we had a clear choice between a man of God--a man with values--and a man with little or no values. We chose the man with values. The fight will continue and Patriotic-God loving Americans can never give in. Read what is in your child's text books and if it attempts to remove God, speak out against it. Your voice matters--it matters not just for your child's sake, but for the sake of all America's citizens.
Surely, someone has done the research. It's not as if the Constitution is a neglected item. Somewhere there's a book with a title like: "Scriptural Sources for the Clauses in the Constitution." Can you find such a book? Anywhere? As you read the Constitution, can you find the parts that have a scriptural source? Surely, if there were scriptural sources for the Constitution, this is known by someone other than you, and such an important bit of scholarship exists. But where is it?
Sure he was. Guys name is George Mason. :-}
Render unto God....
The Constitution is a document primarily concerned with laying out a form of government in order to protect the God given rights of its citizens.
Had the federalists had their way, there would be no BOR. Next time you give thanks, give thanks to George Mason and the anti federalists, the Christians who understood that rights flowed from God and not from the state.
But it's the very BOR itself (First Amendment) which contains the anti-establishment clause, as any semblance of an official religion would stifle religious freedom.
I don't argue for theocracy, I argue that exorcising God and religion from the public square is both anti-constitutional and in direct conflict to the beliefs of the founders, including the deists.
You admit "there is no specific power to mix or in any way connect religion, or church with government" so I rest my case. The last part of this is your interpretation, not necessarily the correct one. I will admit I will have look into this, but its a giant leap your taking.
There is no conflict with 1st commandment. This country is the most accepting of all religions despite its Judeo-Christian foundation. People are free to choose whatever religion they want, they can choose not be Christians and be just as much a citizen.
I guess you didn't research the drafting of the Constitution or you would not have asked why the founding fathers had at one time or another all 10 commandments in the constitution. Sodomy was illegal in Texas until the not too distant past.
The point was not about timeline.
Okay, you got me. It sounded like something Patrick Henry would have said. He was there at the Convention. But he didn't sign. (Good for him!) Anyway, my earlier posts about the lack of scriptural sources for the Constitution still stand.
Just when you construct a better argument, the universe creates a more idiotic creationist.
Okay.
You're an embarassment to whatever it is you represent.
And you're an embarassment to your family, your friends, your educational system, your nation, your culture, your heritage, your civilization, and your universe in general.
Gee, does that make you feel better now?
Coming from you? Absolutely..
Madisonian placemarker
It is obvious from the discussion that the question of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin is alive and well.
I have lived through and seen a lot of injustice in my life. I have zero tolerance for it or unjust people. And I will be damned if I stand silent when it counts. I don't sweat these people. Nor will the Country long suffer them.
So, you and you alone are the one source for the truth about the meaning of the Bible? Your knowledge is infallible? Are you God? This will be my last post to you, since I have no desire to speak to intolerant religious bigots who are so arrogant to believe that they alone know the truth of God's word and cannot possibly be misunderstanding anything.
Absolutely, and I don't even claim that the Bible was the primary justification. It probably was a very minor one. The point is that God's word was then used to argue the idea that slavery was right. We no longer believe that God's word says that slavery is right. Our understanding of the Word has changed since the time of the Civil War.
So then I guess I missed your original point, and that was?
So then, pi = exactly 3? That's what is stated literally in the Bible, so do all these mathematicians have it wrong when they tell you it's 3.1415926...?
Actually, not all of our founding fathers shared what you would call "Christian values." Jefferson, for example, was a committed Deist. He did not believe that God intervenes in the universe. He believed that God created it all and then allowed things to proceed according to natural law. If he were alive today, based on his Deist beliefs, I'd bet money that he would be a theistic evolutionist. I believe you have stated that evolution and God are contradictory, so Jefferson couldn't possibly have had anything that you would consider to be Christian values.
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