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Cognitive Disconnect [Everything You Know About Weight, Dieting, and Exercise Is Wrong]
TCS ^ | 11/30/04 | Sandy Szwarc

Posted on 11/30/2004 7:22:32 AM PST by ZGuy

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1 posted on 11/30/2004 7:22:33 AM PST by ZGuy
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So where are all the anti-fat warriors?


2 posted on 11/30/2004 7:31:16 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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Where is everybody? I thought this article would get a lot of hits and comments.
3 posted on 11/30/2004 7:34:47 AM PST by ZGuy
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fascinating...but prepare to get flamed by the Atkins cult around here..


4 posted on 11/30/2004 7:35:01 AM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: ZGuy
Don't get misled with facts. The glitterati know what's best for you. Keep starving yourselves!! (/sarcasm)
5 posted on 11/30/2004 7:39:18 AM PST by Time is now (We'll live to see it......Does anyone see it yet?....)
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"...studies all found that people 20 to 40% over the insurance company weight charts lived the longest."

Ve-r-r-r-ry interesting.

6 posted on 11/30/2004 7:39:22 AM PST by ThirstyMan
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Why?

If you read Atkins all the way through, he advocates eating a lot as well as regularly.(Never go more than five hours between meals. Eat before and after exercise, etc. The idea is to NOT feel like you're dieting and to never be hungry.)

He just advocates not eating mass quantities of disguised sugar.

Of course, many only read up to the chapter on induction and stop, but that's their problem.


7 posted on 11/30/2004 7:42:02 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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Bump for later


8 posted on 11/30/2004 7:42:43 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: ThirstyMan

I know from experience in long term care, that those overweight by >20% (but not morbid) do better in crisis. An infection, a broken bone, major surgery etc -- they recover better and faster.

Those that are at their "IBW" or less usually have one foot on a banana peel and the other in the grave. ANY weight loss in this population is a call for intervention because if not stopped, they will waste away.


9 posted on 11/30/2004 7:47:18 AM PST by najida (Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.)
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So, let's see, he doesn't believe in dieting and he doesn't believe in exercising to lose weight. Sounds like people who are fat and for one reason or another want to lose weight are just stuck, according to the good doctor.

No thanks. To paraphrase Mae West, I've been fat (after giving birth) and I've been in shape, and believe me, in shape is better. Thank you, Dr. Atkins.

10 posted on 11/30/2004 7:49:41 AM PST by Capriole
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Interesting that he was critical of the very flawed Seven Countries Study and the Framingham study... since they were based on his earliest work which is overlooked in this article: connecting sat fat to heart disease. America turned to vegetable oil (and more sugar) and heart disease is booming. Hmmm...
11 posted on 11/30/2004 7:59:33 AM PST by Lil'freeper (Error 404. The page you requested was not found.)
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To: valkyrieanne

No one should be starving oneself.

There is a big difference between an overweight or obese person losing weight and a healthy human being being put on a caloric restriction diet that is below his daily requirements.

Currently I intake between 1300 to 1800 calories per day, my lifestyle and weight/height average need is about 3000 calories a day, this causes me to lose about 2 to 3 lbs a week on average (you need to burn about 3500 calories per lb lost).

Now I need to lose weight, I have and intend to continue to do so. However I am not anywhere near my "ideal" weight.... A fit, low body fat individual placed on a 1600 calorie a day diet would emaciate himself over time.. his body would be forced to shut down non essential activities, digest muscle, lower activities, blood flow, sex drive etc etc.... That's starvation.

A person who is majorly overweight is not going to fall into that category. Since cutting my calories and getting more active, I am in much better physical shape, I am far more active, do not tire nearly as quickly as I used to etc etc etc.

Dieting is not evil, fad dieting is stupid.. starvation dieting is rediculous.


12 posted on 11/30/2004 8:00:54 AM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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The only diet that works is the E.L.E. Diet.

Eat Less and Exercise.

13 posted on 11/30/2004 8:02:28 AM PST by Lizavetta (Modern liberalism: Where everyone must look different but think the same.)
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To: valkyrieanne
So where are all the anti-fat warriors?

My eyes are the best anti-fat warriors I know.
14 posted on 11/30/2004 8:03:29 AM PST by BikerNYC
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He had no intention of ever jogging because he'd "seen just too many cases" of people dropping dead while jogging.

Even brilliant people succumb to anecdotal thinking outside their field.

15 posted on 11/30/2004 8:08:45 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: ZGuy

I've got this love/hate relationship with food. I love food, but hate what it does to me.

Guess we all would like to be lean, mean, lovin' machines and retain the health we had in our twenties. This article points out what many of us feel, and what we've been through over the years.

It is a tough article to respond to. Thanks.


16 posted on 11/30/2004 8:20:06 AM PST by wizr (Let's put Christ back in Christmas. Love is the most wonderful gift. John 3:16)
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Most people over the age of thirty-five will start gaining one to three pounds a year. That really hurts by age sixty, but it represents overeating by about one piece of buttered toast a day -- hardly glutteny.


17 posted on 11/30/2004 8:25:16 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: Lil'freeper

America turned to vegetable oil (and more sugar) and heart disease is booming.

More like hydrogenated vegetable oils (Crisco) and corn syrup!


18 posted on 11/30/2004 8:49:07 AM PST by kaktuskid
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To: ZGuy

Thought you might be interested in this article. Interesting and certainly not suprising.


19 posted on 11/30/2004 9:25:33 AM PST by lupie
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I am. That's why I posted it! ;^)


20 posted on 11/30/2004 9:40:42 AM PST by ZGuy
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