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How the US and Britain are intervening in Ukraine's elections
The Spectator ^ | 28th nov 2004 | John Laughland

Posted on 11/30/2004 12:51:08 AM PST by eluminate

A few years ago, a friend of mine was sent to Kiev by the British government to teach Ukrainians about the Western democratic system. His pupils were young reformers from western Ukraine, affiliated to the Conservative party. When they produced a manifesto containing 15 pages of impenetrable waffle, he gently suggested boiling their electoral message down to one salient point. What was it, he wondered? A moment of furrowed brows produced the lapidary and nonchalant reply, 'To expel all Jews from our country.'

It is in the west of Ukraine that support is strongest for the man who is being vigorously promoted by America as the country's next president: the former prime minister Viktor Yushchenko. On a rainy Monday morning in Kiev, I met some young Yushchenko supporters, druggy skinheads from Lvov. They belonged both to a Western-backed youth organisation, Pora, and also to Ukrainian National Self-Defence (Unso), a semi-paramilitary movement whose members enjoy posing for the cameras carrying rifles and wearing fatigues and balaclava helmets. Were nutters like this to be politically active in any country other than Ukraine or the Baltic states, there would be instant outcry in the US and British media; but in former Soviet republics, such bogus nationalism is considered anti-Russian and therefore democratic.

(Excerpt) Read more at zmag.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 200411; conradblack; electionrigging; elections; hollinger; hollingerinc; hollingerintl; john; laughland; pora; skinheads; spectator; thespectator; ukraine; unso; yanukovich; yushchenko; zmag; zmagorg
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To: jb6
Whoever wins out in Ukraine, the pro-Russians side or the nationalist side, is not the business of the United States. If the nationalists win, Ukraine would likely be aligned with the European Union. If the pro-Russians win, Ukraine would be re-absorbed into a third Russian empire (the Tsarist and Soviet empires being number one and two). Germany, France, and Russia are not our friends. Let them slug it out over Ukraine, just as we should have done in ex-Yugoslavia.
21 posted on 12/01/2004 8:08:22 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

If Yanukovich wins, there will be no reaborbtion, that will only happen if the country splits. But Western Ukraine won't live to long. Economically it has little more then lumber and glass. The agriculture, heavy industry, coal and main ports are all in eastern Ukraine. Further, Carpathea and Ivan-Frankfurtia (?sp) have voted before unanimously to return to Slovakia and Romania. Poland still has claims/lusts on Lvov and near by Oblasts.


22 posted on 12/01/2004 8:10:55 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6

So you are a Putin/Communist/Totalitarian apologist...


23 posted on 12/01/2004 8:36:10 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: jb6
I don't buy your argument that the pro-Russian Ukrainians would oppose re-absorption into a greater Russia, any more than the pro-Nazi Austrians opposed the German Anschluss. Putin wants to restore Russian power, and Belarus and Ukraine were part of the Tsarist and Soviet empires for centuries. The three languages are, I understand, mutually intelligible. The argument for re-unifying the three East Slavic nations is more strongly backed by history and precedent than Hitler's argument to unify all ethnic Germans in one Reich.

Even if you are right regarding the future of Ukraine, it is not America's business. Let the Russians and the EU fight over this one.

24 posted on 12/01/2004 8:46:59 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: ApesForEvolution
So you are a Putin/Communist/Totalitarian apologist...

I see we've reached the limit of intelligent conversation with this ape. Flash for evolution: most people who disagree with the Soros/EU/MSM revolutions of the world are not communists. Thanks, I've seen first hand the results from these little "liberations" and the corpses still rot and the buildings are still piles of rubble. But if you're into supporting the Franco-Germanic-Spainish Fourth Reich, guess that's your perogative.

25 posted on 12/01/2004 8:50:06 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Hell, are you even capable of giving a definition of what communism is? Then compare it to the economic system of Russia, much of it based on the US economic system with main emphasis on Ann Rand and flat taxation. But that might be to much for some to understand.


26 posted on 12/01/2004 8:51:36 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6

Putin will not let anyone rejoin with Russia until they get WTO status. To limit problems and not give excuse to not be admitted. Why do you think Abkhazia and Transdniestria got denies after they had their referendums to join Russia?


27 posted on 12/01/2004 9:12:38 AM PST by eluminate
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To: eluminate

What's the advantage of joining the WTO in truth? I read a lot of the economists in Russia are against it. Trinester is impossible to join to Russia. It is land locked and does not border Russia. WTO is purely hypocritical. They allowed China in, with slavery, pure facism and piracy gone rampent.


28 posted on 12/01/2004 9:14:35 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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LOL

The economic system of America was infiltrated by Communist idealogy years ago.

The Soviet Union is crawling back into it (they never really left the totalitarianistic mindset to begin with), starting with a flat tax.

Nothing in the Soviet Union has really changed, in the final rinse. They failed, we bailed them out and they're back at it. Call it whatever you want, a pig is a pig.


29 posted on 12/01/2004 9:28:03 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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Yup nothing has changed.


The Black Cross close to Ekaterinburg at the civil victims monument (Moscow highway). Its height is approximately 11 meters (12 yds)



The monument of civil victims (Moscow highway, outside Ekaterinburg) The names of tsar Nicolay II and his family were just a few names on this huge list at the monument of civil victims outside Ekaterinburg.


30 posted on 12/01/2004 10:44:51 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6

Explain the reinstallation of Lenin statues in areas occupied by Russia after their invasion.


31 posted on 03/12/2025 12:17:10 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustmilents offered here free of charge)
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