I have read polls that show a majority favor restrictions on immigration. I think this support is a mile wide and an inch deep. It's like asking if there is too much violence on TV. A majority say yes but they continue to watch the violence, and they continue to buy cheap goods at WalMart.
Your logic and rationale is straight out of the Libertarian handbook.
I am less than enthralled with your debating techniques or your logic.
There are estimates of illegal aliens in the US that range from 10 million to 30 million. This is a serious problem and it must be solved.
Agreed.
In order to solve the problem of foreigners entering the US illegally, borders must be sealed, laws must be enforced and welfare to illegals must be stopped.
When Dubya's immigration reform is enacted and the working illegals become legal many of your allies in this argument will continue to to complain because even though the law has changed their motivations were never about law but race.
>>even though the law has changed their motivations were never about law but race.<<
"even though the law has changed "
Cites the changes, please.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sup_01_8_10_12_20_II.html
"their motivations were never about law but race"
When you start to lose the debate bring out the fact that we are a bunch of racist, profiling SOB's and you will have won! Good strategy. /s
Really now. One party governments always end up serving themselves at the expense of their citizens. If anything we need more than two major parties since they have grown to resemble each other so much (at our collective expense). Checks and balances are vital because power corrupts without fail.
I see nothing wrong with looking at the past work history of illegals and letting them qualify for a work permit. That is one less illegal that has to found and sent back to Mexico.
How can one trust any "work history" concerning people who proactively hide their real identity, purchase the actual Social Security numbers of American citizens and obtain fraudulent documents for every other purpose? How can a work history be traced when an alien floats from community to community while changing his assumed personna at a whim? America's homegrown criminals would give their eyeteeth for this dual-standard "lookover" anyone remotely Hispanic enjoys (California's Special Order 40 and similar PD rules nationwide that effectively grant illegals free run).
When Dubya's immigration reform is enacted and the working illegals become legal many of your allies in this argument will continue to to complain because even though the law has changed their motivations were never about law but race.
Reform means improving with the intention of correcting past wrong. Under that definition what our President (Mexico's president - who's calling the shots here?) wants to do is not reform but "deform". When George W. yapped about the mere possibility last January the word spread to the tip of South America that he was talking actual amnesty, resulting in a huge surge of illegals from that action alone. That proved, to me, that ANY relaxation of what remains of our immigration laws and standards will bring in millions more while we can't even deal with the ones already here. The costs of actively deporting present illegals will be miniscule compared to the overall costs (not just money) any form of amnesty would bring on us. And it is ultimately us who pay the price for it; not the unethical employers nor the politicians who like the checks they palm to them.
To say it's about race is most Democrat of you, as the Republican party has done more for Americans of African heritage than anyone (though you couldn't tell by that demographic's voting habits since LBJ's time). Traditionally minority Americans are the ones most hurt by the illegal invasion as it's the jobs they used to be able to depend upon whittled away. Legal immigrants are in the same boat and suffer the added insult that those who get here the wrong way are being rewarded for it while they themselves adhere to strict standards and struggle for conformity. I love legal immigrants because most of them love our country more than liberal natives or today's generation of NEA-brainwashed students. Amnesty tells them that our country is no better than than those they were working so hard to get away from. We're better than that and should not abide anything that lowers our country. I'll happily pay more for meat, produce and goods if it means FAIR trade and scoundrels being held to the laws the rest of us abide. Illegals merely perpetuate a distorted economy for those pirate's benefit. The longer it's tolerated the more it becomes viewed as an expected standard.
Lord knows I've taken a lot of shocks lately over the price of gasoline - but learned to keep the tires aired up and the car tuned. If we don't see mass riots over that you can't expect one over the price of lettuce.
Finally - there's no reward for blindly following any politician but ultimately being betrayed. We "love" the president for his good qualities as positive reinforcement for the good things he accomplishes. We call him out for his mistakes because he's still Public Servant #1 and beholden to us all for his actions (and we still want him to be the best president he can be). When he hard-headedly believes that he can force the populace to accept a policy that we know is wrong we do have the responsibility to oppose him and thwart those designs. You mentioned Natoionalism like there was something wrong with that. If some other country has a better system than ours tell me about it. Until then I'm a proud nationalist.
>>>>When Dubya's immigration reform is enacted ...
The President's immigration proposal will not become law. The American people don't support it and the Congress doesn't support it either.
Finally, a pro-illegal immigrant supporter admits this is all about race. Notice that Once-ler and his buddies never talk about Asians, Poles, Scandanavians, Africans, etc. Only hispanics.
It has always been about law and not race for the majority of Americans. Let me ask you a few questions:
Would you rather lose your job to an illegal alien named Bjorn from Sweden, or would you rather lose your job to an illegal alien named Jose from Mexico? Personally, I'd be just as pissed either way.
Would you rather have to wait 7 hours in your hospital's emergency room because there are one hundred illegal aliens from Sweden ahead of you to see a doctor, or would you rather have to wait 7 hours in your hospital's emergency room because there are one hundred illegal aliens from Mexico ahead of you to see a doctor? Personally, I'd be just as pissed either way.
Would you rather have your child's learning progress in his classroom proceed at a snail's pace because the teacher has to explain everything in both English and Swedish to accomodate all of the illegal alien students from Sweden, or would you rather have your child's learning progress in his classroom proceed at a snail's pace because the teacher has to explain everything in both English and Spanish to accomodate all of the illegal alien students from Mexico? Personally, I'd be just as pissed either way.
But, hey, if you still want to believe that Americans are opposed to illegal immigration because of race, well, that's your choice.