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1 posted on 11/29/2004 12:26:41 PM PST by blam
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..translated..."BUSH IN 04"

Doogle


2 posted on 11/29/2004 12:27:53 PM PST by Doogle (8th AF...4077TFW....408MMS....Ubon Thailand "69"..Night Line Delivery ..AMMO)
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


3 posted on 11/29/2004 12:28:06 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

And lemme guess, they read, "Death to America" right?


4 posted on 11/29/2004 12:28:23 PM PST by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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To: blam

They say "Allah sucks."


5 posted on 11/29/2004 12:29:05 PM PST by TheBigB (I sure could go for a charbroiled hamburger sammich and some french fried potatoes!)
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To: blam
It's the long lost 11th Commandment:

"Thou shalt not believe in any 72 Virgin nonsense!"
11 posted on 11/29/2004 12:33:40 PM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: blam
The Elamites? Always keeping an eye on things, no doubt!


12 posted on 11/29/2004 12:34:13 PM PST by Ignatz (Stop me or I will ZING you again!)
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To: blam

Did dan rather find these?


15 posted on 11/29/2004 12:35:50 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: blam
re the Elamites, see verse 9. Same 'ol same 'ol.

Ezra 4


Opposition to the Rebuilding

1 When the enemies of Judah and Benjamin heard that the exiles were building a temple for the LORD , the God of Israel, 2 they came to Zerubbabel and to the heads of the families and said, "Let us help you build because, like you, we seek your God and have been sacrificing to him since the time of Esarhaddon king of Assyria, who brought us here."
3 But Zerubbabel, Jeshua and the rest of the heads of the families of Israel answered, "You have no part with us in building a temple to our God. We alone will build it for the LORD , the God of Israel, as King Cyrus, the king of Persia, commanded us."
4 Then the peoples around them set out to discourage the people of Judah and make them afraid to go on building. [1] 5 They hired counselors to work against them and frustrate their plans during the entire reign of Cyrus king of Persia and down to the reign of Darius king of Persia.


Later Opposition Under Xerxes and Artaxerxes
6 At the beginning of the reign of Xerxes, [2] they lodged an accusation against the people of Judah and Jerusalem.
7 And in the days of Artaxerxes king of Persia, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel and the rest of his associates wrote a letter to Artaxerxes. The letter was written in Aramaic script and in the Aramaic language. [3] , [4]
8 Rehum the commanding officer and Shimshai the secretary wrote a letter against Jerusalem to Artaxerxes the king as follows:

9 Rehum the commanding officer and Shimshai the secretary, together with the rest of their associates-the judges and officials over the men from Tripolis, Persia, [5] Erech and Babylon, the Elamites of Susa, 10 and the other people whom the great and honorable Ashurbanipal [6] deported and settled in the city of Samaria and elsewhere in Trans-Euphrates.

11 (This is a copy of the letter they sent him.)

To King Artaxerxes,

From your servants, the men of Trans-Euphrates:

12 The king should know that the Jews who came up to us from you have gone to Jerusalem and are rebuilding that rebellious and wicked city. They are restoring the walls and repairing the foundations.
13 Furthermore, the king should know that if this city is built and its walls are restored, no more taxes, tribute or duty will be paid, and the royal revenues will suffer. 14 Now since we are under obligation to the palace and it is not proper for us to see the king dishonored, we are sending this message to inform the king, 15 so that a search may be made in the archives of your predecessors. In these records you will find that this city is a rebellious city, troublesome to kings and provinces, a place of rebellion from ancient times. That is why this city was destroyed. 16 We inform the king that if this city is built and its walls are restored, you will be left with nothing in Trans-Euphrates.

17 The king sent this reply:

To Rehum the commanding officer, Shimshai the secretary and the rest of their associates living in Samaria and elsewhere in Trans-Euphrates:

Greetings.

18 The letter you sent us has been read and translated in my presence. 19 I issued an order and a search was made, and it was found that this city has a long history of revolt against kings and has been a place of rebellion and sedition. 20 Jerusalem has had powerful kings ruling over the whole of Trans-Euphrates, and taxes, tribute and duty were paid to them. 21 Now issue an order to these men to stop work, so that this city will not be rebuilt until I so order. 22 Be careful not to neglect this matter. Why let this threat grow, to the detriment of the royal interests?

23 As soon as the copy of the letter of King Artaxerxes was read to Rehum and Shimshai the secretary and their associates, they went immediately to the Jews in Jerusalem and compelled them by force to stop.

24 Thus the work on the house of God in Jerusalem came to a standstill until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.


Footnotes


  1. 4:4 Or and troubled them as they built
  2. 4:6 Hebrew Ahasuerus , a variant of Xerxes' Persian name
  3. 4:7 Or written in Aramaic and translated
  4. 4:7 The text of Ezra 4:8-6:18 is in Aramaic.
  5. 4:9 Or officials, magistrates and governors over the men from
  6. 4:10 Aramaic Osnappar , a variant of Ashurbanipal

Cordially,

16 posted on 11/29/2004 12:36:51 PM PST by Diamond
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Inscribed Bricks Unearthed South Of Iran (1100BC)

Big deal! Look at the picture and you'll see how crudely they were made, and the writing looks like jibberish. Go down to the Magic Kingdom and you'll see literally thousands of them, all nice and rectangular, and the writing is nice and neat and in regular English!

18 posted on 11/29/2004 12:40:39 PM PST by HenryLeeII ("How do you ask a goose to be the last goose to die for a shameless political stunt?" -Tony in Ohio)
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To: blam

Geography Time!

Anybody have a map? Wouldn't "South of Iran" be in the Indian Ocean/Persian Gulf?


19 posted on 11/29/2004 12:41:40 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media is Enemy #1. The Bureaucracy is Enemy #1.5.)
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From an ancient elamite textbook.....

In case of fire, throw this in.......


20 posted on 11/29/2004 12:42:09 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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Maybe that should be the Sassanid era, rather than the Achaemenid era. The Achaemenids were the ones who invaded Greece under Darius I and Xerxes and were eventually conquered by Alexander the Great, so they were long gone by A.D. 500. The Sassanids ruled from A.D. 224 to 636, when they were conquered by the Arabs.

Elamites are mentioned in Acts 2.9. There is also a Chedorlaomer king of Elam in Genesis 14.

24 posted on 11/29/2004 1:01:19 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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26 posted on 11/29/2004 1:12:45 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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28 posted on 11/29/2004 1:52:55 PM PST by SquirrelKing ("I have to march because my mother couldn't have an abortion." - Maxine Waters (D-California)
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[from my hard drive, may be a dead link]

http://maxpages.com/anshan

Anshan (Anzan) [Tepe Malyan]

*Anshan (Anzan) [Tepe Malyan] (EB Article)

Also spelled Anzan, city and territory of ancient Elam, north of modern Shiraz, southwestern Iran. The city's ruins, covering 350 acres, have yielded major archaeological finds, including examples of early Elamite writing. Anshan came to prominence about 2350 BC as an enemy of the Mesopotamian dynasty of Akkad. Its greatest period, however, was during the 13th and 12th centuries BC, when, as "kings of Anshan and Susa," Elamite rulers periodically raided Babylonian cities. About 675 the country apparently came to be controlled by Achaemenian Persians, who bore the title "kings of Anshan" down to the accession of Darius I in 522 BC. (EO)

......The low mounds of Malyan cover nearly 200 hectares (500 hectares) in the Fars Province 46 kilometers north of Shiraz and 43 kilometers west of Persepolis.

The term "Middle Elamite Empire" refers to the state formed in southern Iran between circa 1300 and circa 1100 BC by a series of rulers whose inscriptions entitle them "Kings of Anshan and Susa". In their reigns, Elam competed for power with contemporary states in Assyria and Babylonia, and achieved the greatest political and military success of its long history.

JOURNAL Article: "Middle Elamite Malyan" Elizabeth Carter and Matthew Stolper Expedition (University of Pennsylvania Museum) Volume 18 Number 2 (1976) Pages 33-42


32 posted on 11/29/2004 9:36:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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Chedorlaomer, the Elamite king who dominated Mesopotamia in the time of Abraham (but who appears to have lost control or his life fighting the battle with the kings of the Cities of the Plain, has a name which I've read is a transliteration of the Elamite original, Kudur-Laghamar 'Servant of Laghamar', Laghamar being an Elamite deity.


33 posted on 11/29/2004 9:41:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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Thanks blam.
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34 posted on 11/29/2004 9:44:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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Wait a second. I thought when the Coalition overthrew Saddam, they placed Iraq's rich collection of ancient artifacts, arhceological sites, libraries, museums in extreme peril. But what this article suggests is that the Coalition allowed Iraq's past to open up to the world.

Never see the MSM or univeristy elitists allow Bush the satisfaction. Bet you 100:1 the archeological dig at Babylon, Ur, Nimrud, and Nineveh will explode in discoveries and information now that peace and civility have returned to Mesopotamia.


36 posted on 11/29/2004 10:09:22 PM PST by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: blam

Translation: I pledge 5 sheep and 20 pieces of gold for your firstborn daughter.


37 posted on 11/29/2004 10:10:35 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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Translation: In the first year of Our Great King, the rains came, the rivers rose and the floodwaters ravaged our great land.

In the second year of Our Great King, the rains came, the rivers rose and once again the floodwaters covered our cursed land.

In the third year....

40 posted on 11/29/2004 10:24:12 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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