The Sleeping World Is Awakening to the Dangers of Islam

GOPUSA ^ | November 29, 2004 | Barbara Stock

[Coffee_drinker]

TSR, Good post.!

BUMP

[badbass]

Yes, Germany and Japan were successful. We do seem to have some trouble with their descendents exporting leftwing "hooey" to some extent, at least we don't have to fight them. I see Turkey as the only example of an Islamic society that seems to work to some extent. Maybe there is some hope for the democracy to work. Islam is by definition so anti-independent thought, that it's hard to imagine it coexisting with democracy to any great extent. From what little I know, Attaturk seems to have come up with a sort of separation of mosque and state that is workable.

[DoctorMichael]

I'm beginning to think that we're better off if the muslims (at least the radical ones) were kept in their part of the world while we stayed in ours.

In many respects I agree with you. It would be nice to build a wall around these clowns and let them live in 8th Century squalor and ignorance if they so choose. Unfortunately, we HAVE to do business with some of them. Specifically, I'm thinking of the populations of Neanderthals that inhabit Saudi Arabia and Iran as well as other Islamic countries. In the end, the trade-dollars we provide are transferred to the true nutzoids among them hiding out in darkened caves dreaming of a glorious, worldwide Fascistic State under their ignorant rule.

[badbass]

Thus blind acceptance of religion is equivalent to blind acceptance of the current polital system.

Very good point.

[reagankid]

Great article!

I hope the author is right and the rest of the world finally wakes up to the beast that is the extremist fundamental Muslim religion...seeking only terror, torture and dominance...never peace!

IMHO, and in not that distant future we will see new allies to our cause in Iraq that were just weeks ago laughing at us and our President.

[ZULU]

What does a pluralistic, tolerant society do when they are confronted by a belief system grounded in intolerance and hate?

In the U.S. we dealt with it when we had problems with the Ku Klux Klan - and ended it accordingly.

[crail]

Albania, a country of 70% Muslims, is one of the most vocal supporters of the war in Iraq. One of only 4 countries to send combat troops. Along with neighboring Kosovo, it is the only (polled) place on earth in which polls show a consistent belief that the war in Iraq has made the world safer. When Spain pulled out of Iraq, it was Albania that offered to more than double their troop commitment.

Or we would be hearing from them.
Albania has been given no voice here, which confuses me, I really think it's Bush's fault... He should mention them more and make them a more visible ally. Not only are they a moderate Islamic democracy with an almost unconditional support for the war, Albanians were Clinton's war. Liberals overwhelmingly support freeing Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, which was the right thing to do... Most people agree with that war. But what's the first thing they did with their freedom? Hauled off to bring it to Iraq. This should speak to Liberals, but no one knows about it... no one mentions Albania, not Liberals, not conservatives.

[ariamne]

Your post recalled my time at Boston University in 1978 as an undergrad. I remember that the anti-Shah of Iran demonstrations on campus (students hiding their faces with black scarves--a foreshadowing of what was to come) were greeted with much enthusiasm by the liberal faculty and fellow students. Though a liberal myself at the time, I was very concerned about what would happen to women if the Shah was overthrown. When I spoke of this concern, I was brushed off and told the Shah was worse than anything the Ayatollahs could come up with. Not happy to have been right.

[weenie]

I'm beginning to think that we're better off if the muslims (at least the radical ones) were kept in their part of the world while we stayed in ours.

It's too late for that now (at least for those of us that support Israel).

The possession of nuclear weapons by Islam and the means and will to use them changes the complexion of this issue completely.

A more drastic solution is required...Islam must either be reformed or...well, you get the picture.

If there is an feasible alternative, please let us all know.

[vivabushchick]

Most moderates do not speak out for fear of reprisal from Islamic radicals. Not this chap: www.roadofanation.com an excellent blog from an Iraqi citizen.

[Retired Navy Chief]

Just exterminate all of them ---everywhere.

[crail]

I've waited over three years for this. Either they are cowed into silence, or they quietly support the radicals.
The problem isn't that they don't exist or are quiet on the topic. The problem is that we don't point it out when they talk. We don't give them a voice. When they do talk, we should be posting it, congratulating it. Instead, we tend to beat it down or ignore it.

2) Forcibly democratize them. (Afghanistan being the only example so far.)
I think you'll have to wait a bit to declare Afghanistan an example. A one month old democracy can hardly be declared stable.

[angkor]

These killing machines wait for their orders to kill and terrorize, cared for and protected by the radical Islamic element within our own borders.

Maybe just coincidence, but Muhammad and Malvo (the DC snipers) shot Linda Franklin at the Home Depot less than 5 minutes walk from the Wahabbi Dar al Hijra mosque in Falls Church, VA. This place is notorious, it has been host to OBL's brother (who lived in Falls Church and ran the World Assembly of Musliim Youth), as well as a banker who once laundered OBL's funds out of the Cayman Islands (he was on the board of the Dar al Hijra).

In addition, Dar al Hijra is where several of the 9/11 hijackers made contacts to obtain their phony Virginia IDs. Again, maybe coincidental that the imam of several other 9/11 hijackers from San Diego moved to Falls Church to "preach" there.

[KC_for_Freedom]

A more drastic solution is required...Islam must either be reformed or...well, you get the picture.

Very pragmetic and correct, unfortunately. I believe that when the "more drastic solution" is used, for example in fallujah, then more moderate muslims will start to show., In the end, they won't all have to be killed, some will have a reformation in their religion and will welcome a multi-religious unity with the West. They may always have to be watched, however.

[manic4organic]

I'm surprised this mosque isn't a smoking pile yet.

[JesseHousman]

I'm beginning to think that we're better off if the muslims (at least the radical ones) were kept in their part of the world...

But TSR, they all read the same filthy handbook. The ones that won't cut our heads off will finance those that will.

[weenie]

some will have a reformation in their religion and will welcome a multi-religious unity with the West

I hear you...there has been an awful lot of talk about the problem and your comment points to the possible commencement of talk about solutions. Practical, real world solutions...this religion must be purged of its tendency toward hatred and violence if any of its adherents are to survive.

And, I agree, whatever the solution, the situation will require long term monitoring.

[b4its2late]

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If these dufuses would just renounce the violence and hate (some would say that's renouncing part of their religion), we wouldn't need monitoring. And monitoring peaceful muslims could be a foot in the door to government monitoring all of us.

[weenie]

You raise a very good point...it is definitely a delicate matter.