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Digital memories won't last forever
Deseret Morning News ^ | 11.29.04 | Katie Hafner Katie Hafner Katie Hafner Katie Hafner

Posted on 11/29/2004 8:47:34 AM PST by Dr. Zzyzx

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To: Publius6961

Could you go into a little more detail as to who does this and an approximate cost? Thanks!


61 posted on 11/29/2004 9:30:13 AM PST by shattered
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To: ml/nj

Never heard of an 11" floppy and I've been in the computer biz for 30 years ... but then again, who knows, perhaps they did exist and never really made it to prime time.

Eight inch was a standard for a long time, with RadioShack I believe and then IBM's 'DataMaster' as well as their 3740 key to disk system. 5&1/4 had a much longer life time with the advent of the PC.


62 posted on 11/29/2004 9:31:02 AM PST by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

Print your images, line them up on a wall or bulletin board and then shoot them on motion picture film. Transfer the film to videotape as a backup and leave the tail end of the tape out.


63 posted on 11/29/2004 9:33:01 AM PST by rabidralph (That melon is for display purposes only.)
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To: Publius6961

>I also wonder about polaroid images. Are the originals made 60 years ago still stable? <

The Polaroid photos my family took in the late 1950's - early 1960's are really deteriorating. Some are almost totally destroyed.

It's a shame, too. My dad loved his Polaroid, and used it a lot to record family events.


64 posted on 11/29/2004 9:33:49 AM PST by Darnright
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To: Bikers4Bush
How expensive is it and where is it offered?

It has been a few years since I patronized that service. This was at least 7 years ago, at the beginnng of the digital image explosion.
It was not cheap, but at the time the images I had to deal with were priceless. I am sure the cost has come down by a factor of at least 5.

The specific service I used was The Darkroom, in San Rafael, California.

Any image over 5 mb can produce a paper print as big as you'll ever need. Any good Lab can transform the electronic images to 6x6 negatives or positives. Let us know if you can find current prices. 7 years ago it was about $8 an image, if I remember correctly.

65 posted on 11/29/2004 9:33:56 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: shattered

Call you local camera store and tell them you want a negative from a digital image file. They can send you to the right people. I won't guess on the price, but a phone call to a good camera store is free. :)


66 posted on 11/29/2004 9:33:56 AM PST by shadowman99
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To: daylate-dollarshort
Why not?? Paper photographs have lasted 100 years. Tintypes have lasted 100 years. Cave paintings have lasted 1000+ years.

Apples and oranges.
The people who worry the most, like the Library of Congress and worldwide banks, are not amused by the uncertainty of the current technology. On the other hand, I am sure they would not worry if they could record the billions of daily transactions with paint on cave walls. If they could.

67 posted on 11/29/2004 9:38:44 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Capriole

Does WordStar support a "print to file" format? If so you can print to a floppy.

Alternatively you rig a cable from the printer port on the old computer to the new so that the print command will send the data to the hard drive on your target computer.


68 posted on 11/29/2004 9:41:17 AM PST by Bob from Fairfield
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To: rabidralph
What are you talking about?

Video tape degausses itself in ~7 or 8 years.

Motion picture film degrades in ~20 years. Even Star Wars, shot in 1976-77, the negative is in extremely poor condition. Older motion pictures are known to get "yellow layer", shrink, torn sproket holes, or become highly flamable. They also crack and turn to dust.
69 posted on 11/29/2004 9:42:12 AM PST by shadowman99
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To: citizen
Ooops, it's Kodak, right?

Uhm no, actually it's Eastman!


70 posted on 11/29/2004 9:43:12 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: shadowman99

I'm sorry, I forgot to add my /sarcasm tag.


71 posted on 11/29/2004 9:45:53 AM PST by rabidralph (George W. Bush, the other Body Hammer)
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

I sure would like to be able to retrieve my collage work from my old 5” floppies – done on a Commodore. The trusty Commodore died, and with it the ability to read the disks.


72 posted on 11/29/2004 9:46:46 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

73 posted on 11/29/2004 9:46:52 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Revolting cat!

BUMP


74 posted on 11/29/2004 9:52:28 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

The most permanent solution for this problem is to print out a hex or octal dump of every single file you are keeping, and a rosetta stone file as to how to decipher the dumps, and keep that stack of paper in a nice, dry, fireproof storage safe. There you go... that will assure that archivists a thousand years from now will be able to look at your photos and other documents.

(I wonder how many trees and iron ore mines I would have to kill)


75 posted on 11/29/2004 9:52:38 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Publius6961

Color Polaroid images have a well known propensity for blue shift. I was one of those people who had to have the camera, and I got the folding one and spent lots of money on film packs. Great concept, I still have them, but to make them look good, I have to scan them in and Photoshop them.

My feeling is, the benefits of digital far outweigh the disadvantages, in my case at least. I am immersed in the digital end of things, I understand formats and migration.

I have my files backed up on two separate hard drives, I have them all archived and burned to DVD's which I have placed in my Safe Deposit Box at my bank.

But these are all good points people make. I will wait until the 3D Transparent Cubic storage units come out, because they will certainly last for a thousand years...:)


76 posted on 11/29/2004 9:52:49 AM PST by rlmorel
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To: Capriole

Print out and scan with Textbridge or a similar program.


77 posted on 11/29/2004 9:54:14 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

Here is a real life solution (I hope). Basic home networks can now be set up with routers from Wal-mart. A wireless G network can now be created for less than $125. I migrated all the important files from the old machine to the new one at 54 Mbps. Now we run the two systems as backups of each other. I too don't trust digital media, but with this system, I can keep the data alive. Also, Wal-mart has free software to print pictures at the local store right from your home computer. Did the digital print at home thing, what a disaster. Now I get Fuji paper and ink and can pick them up at my convenience. One hour photos without the trip to drop stuff off. Too Cool.


78 posted on 11/29/2004 9:55:24 AM PST by WilliamWallace1999
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To: Dr. Zzyzx
I have pictures of my grandparents that date back to around 1900 and some perhaps older than that. I don't think CD's are going to last that long, and even if they do, there might not be anything to retrieve the info that's on them. When my daughter was little, my brother taped her talking into a tape recorder; try to find a reel-to-reel tape player anymore. Also my daughter's wedding was videotaped, and it's getting harder to find VCRs now. I think I'll stick with the conventional camera.

Carolyn

79 posted on 11/29/2004 9:58:58 AM PST by CDHart
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To: Capriole

Your ATT probably has an RS232 Port. You can use a null-modem serial cable, connect it to your PC, and send your data over the cable. Use HyperTerminal on your PC, HyperTerminal is included with every version of Windows.

Hopefully, you have a terminal proggy on your ATT. Chances are at least fair that you do.

Possibly, WordStar can print to a serial printer. If that is the case, you can still print from your ATT through your serial port. The printed files, which will likely be in "clear text" or ASCII, can be received by HyperTerminal. Save the received data to your hard drive... or copy-and-paste in to Word or whatever.

Many ancient printers were RS-232... So there is a good chance that this would work.


80 posted on 11/29/2004 10:02:34 AM PST by Miykayl
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