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Shaken oligarchs keep their money on Yanukovich
Financial Times ^ | November 26 2004 | Stefan Wagstyl and Tom Warner

Posted on 11/28/2004 12:33:44 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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Kuchma and the Russian mafia oppose Yushchenko because he wants to break the back of corruption in the Ukraine.

Kuchma, who was helped into power by George Soros, wants to preserve the rule of the Soros backed gangster elite, including Viktor Pinchuk, Kuchma's son-in-law. Before the election Pinchuk invited Soros to an official visit to Ukraine, as well as others such as Wesley Clark, Richard Holbrooke, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

There is no evidence that Soros has ever funded Yushchenko.


Pinchuk (Kuchma's son in law), Soros and
Olena Franchuk (Kuchma's daughter)

1 posted on 11/28/2004 12:33:44 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Haven't you at least thought about the possibility that the LEADERSHIP (as opposed to the genuine opposition) on both sides are part of a KGB inspired dialectic? Think about the implications for the Genuine Ukrainian opposition, Europe and the US!!!


2 posted on 11/28/2004 12:39:20 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: Tailgunner Joe

George Soros is clearly a player on the international stage. What influence do the US courts have in such a situation? If he is a naturalized US citizen, are there laws against foreign intervention in State politics in violations of US treaties and alliances?


3 posted on 11/28/2004 12:48:23 PM PST by highflight
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To: GOP_1900AD; DarkWaters; familyop; AdmSmith; Calpernia; Just mythoughts; wagglebee; MeekOneGOP; ...
In a legal limbo - By Stefan Wagstyl and Tom Warner - November 28 2004 19:22

‘Viktor Yushchenko's battle to convert people power into a legal victory for the Ukrainian presidency remains long and hard.

On Saturday, Mr Yushchenko did make considerable progress in parliament, where deputies voted to declare November 21's election invalid on grounds of widespread fraud that favoured Viktor Yanukovich, the prime minister backed by President Leonid Kuchma.

Only 70 of the 450-member assembly backed a motion approving Mr Yanukovich's election victory, as former allies, notably Viktor Pinchuk, Mr Kuchma's son-in- law and an influential businessman, withheld support. Parliament also voted for a new election commission.

The votes are symbolic, since parliament plays no legal role in reviewing elections. But the political message has echoed around Ukraine and will have reached the Supreme Court, which today is due to review a motion from Mr Yushchenko to have the election declared invalid.

It was unclear on Sunday whether the court would consider making a broad decision to invalidate the whole poll and pave the way for a new second round election or to examine reviewing the vote on a district-by-district basis. Mr Yushchenko's supporters want a quick decision and a new vote in two or three weeks. But they were not certain the authorities would leave the court free to make an independent decision.

In any case, the key moves will be made in the political arena. Mr Yushchenko's demands amount to a virtual dismantling of Mr Kuchma's administrative machine before the proposed election re-run including the dismissal of the prime minister, the cabinet and officials allegedly involved in falsifying last week's poll. Such moves could threaten the coterie of business oligarchs who surround Mr Kuchma. The opposition leader is also pressing for parliament to pass new election laws abolishing absentee ballots, and other changes to minimise future fraud. Little surprise that Mr Kuchma said on Sunday talks between the Yushchenko and Yanukovich camps were going badly. Mr Yanukovich, touring his heartland in eastern Ukraine, said bluntly that the country was “on the brink of catastrophe”.

Mr Yanukovich was speaking at a gathering of friendly parliamentary deputies and local politicians who voted for a referendum to establish a new autonomous region with its capital in the eastern city of Kharkiv.

Among the participants were Russian officials, reportedly including Yuri Luzhkov, mayor of Moscow.


Yuri Luzhkov, the mayor of Moscwow, led the campaign to bring back the toppled statue of Soviet Cheka founder Felix Dzerzhinsky to Lubyanka Square. Luzhkov is connected to Marc Rich as well as such Russian Mafia figures as Semion Mogilevich, and Vladimir Gusinsky
4 posted on 11/28/2004 1:22:05 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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"Luzhkov is connected to Marc Rich", well could there also be a 'hidden' Clintons connection????


5 posted on 11/28/2004 1:32:03 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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Sounds like Pinchuk et al know when to play it safe. Not supporting Yushchenko may get them scowled at, but pissing off Yanukovich may get them killed.


6 posted on 11/28/2004 1:38:34 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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Yanukovich is an ex-convict. He is a violent thug -- just Soros kind of man as well as all of the oligarchs.

It is clear that if they can't steal all of the Ukraine, they intend to carve it up. They want their mafia/oligarch controlled eastern Ukraine to have at least the kind of self-rule that Crimea has, and before it is over they will want independence because they are mostly Russian speaking and don't give a damn about Ukraine -- only lining their pockets with money from Ukraine's resources and kowtowing to Mother Russia.

7 posted on 11/28/2004 1:47:33 PM PST by Siobhan (Where is there justice in the gate...)
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"Ukraine's business oligarchs" good "Russian business oligarchs" bad?

This is becoming just like one of the many Clintons scandals, the water is kept muddy so nobody can get a clear picture of what is what and who is who.
8 posted on 11/28/2004 1:49:52 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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OK, but which candidate is Lev Leviev backing?


9 posted on 11/28/2004 1:50:06 PM PST by Alouette ("Fundamentalist Islam" -- not "fun" just "demented"...)
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break the back of corruption in the Ukraine.

Hell will freeze before that happens, Joe.

10 posted on 11/28/2004 1:58:57 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: highflight
are there laws against foreign intervention in State politics in violations of US treaties and alliances?

There are no laws that prohibit a private citizen from "intervening" into policies of the state --- unless they constitute treason.

This applies more to Kerry, who acted in official capacity when he met with our enemies, but Soros does not.

11 posted on 11/28/2004 2:01:27 PM PST by TopQuark
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It is clear that if they can't steal all of the Ukraine, they intend to carve it up.

Is the Ukraine big enough for that?

12 posted on 11/28/2004 2:02:24 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To the east of the River Dnieper, they would center their pro-Russian state around Kharkhiv.

Crimea already has its own parliament and a large measure of autonomy.

I believe Ukraine corresponds roughly in size to Texas (but I could have that wrong. Perhaps it is bigger. I'm guessing.)

13 posted on 11/28/2004 2:08:40 PM PST by Siobhan (Where is there justice in the gate...)
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Mr Tkachenko, who has previously backed Mr Kuchma and almost certainly voted for Mr Yanukovich, said he would now support Mr Yushchenko.

This is a good sign, a monetary sign! Always follow the money.
14 posted on 11/28/2004 2:12:49 PM PST by AdmSmith
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Best piece I've seen. Thanks.


15 posted on 11/28/2004 3:57:06 PM PST by Iris7 (.....to protect the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Same bunch, anyway.)
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Yushchenko because he wants to break the back of corruption in the Ukraine.

I was listening to a talkshow yesterday that the powerline blog does. They had a guy on that's done business there, and he said the bribes are a way of life when it comes to doing business in Ukraine, hopefuly Yushchenko 1 win 2 break this culture of corruption.


16 posted on 11/28/2004 4:48:53 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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Yanukovich is an ex-convict. He is a violent thug

Do you have a source on that? Thanks.


17 posted on 11/28/2004 4:50:59 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Siobhan

If memory serves it was called the breadbasket of Europe (the soil is as rich as the great plains), before the communists took over and they ended up with 70 years of bad weather.


18 posted on 11/28/2004 4:55:28 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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Murky past of Moscow's man in Kiev - Yanukovich was sent to a prison for teenagers in 1968 shortly after enrolling in a technical school, and had another spell in jail for inflicting serious bodily harm during an alleged armed robbery two years later.
19 posted on 11/28/2004 4:55:44 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Valin; Tailgunner Joe

I see Joe's given you a link. You can also go to the Kyiv Post for more information. Many of the stories in the European papers point out that people support Yushchenko not so much because of their love for him or his ideas but because they are scandalized by Yanukovich's criminal past as well as the allegations that have dogged him all his life.


20 posted on 11/28/2004 5:00:53 PM PST by Siobhan (Where is there justice in the gate...)
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