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WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Sunday, November 28, 2004

Posted on 11/28/2004 12:21:56 AM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: little jeremiah
Even if same sex sodomy is legal (because of a very stupid SCOTUS decision) why should sexuality be a basis for a club in public schools?

Why shouldn't it? If a bunch of girls wanted to start a "Susie Homemakers' Club" where they would plan to snag a man and raise a family, would you want the club banned? Why two different standards, one for pro-heterosexual and one for pro-homosexual clubs?

241 posted on 11/28/2004 7:18:22 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: JohnHuang2

The school district should let the lawsuit run. One of two things will happen:

1) The school district goes bankrupt and enrages the community and maybe the rest of the country,

2) They beat the ACLU and put an end to this nonsense.


242 posted on 11/28/2004 7:30:07 PM PST by HighWheeler ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." Plato)
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To: xm177e2

Several reasons:

The roles of mother, wife, and homemaker are natural aspirations for girls now, throughout history, and will continue to be so. The roles of wife, mother and homemaker are not only consistent with natural law, but are actually the foundation of the natural family, and therefore, human society.

"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world."

To compare the honorable roles of wife and mother to a life of same sex sodomy shows that you have no clue about moral absolutes.

Additionally, the role of wife and mother is not primarily about sexual gratification. More imporant than sexual congress in such roles are loyalty, duty, responsibilty, fidelity, love and care for others, practical skills, and so on.

The single, sole point which distinguishes a "homosexual" from anyone else is the methods and orifices used to obtain sexual gratification. That's it, there is no more to be said. Someone needs a club for that? In high school?


243 posted on 11/28/2004 7:33:27 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Sex with the undage is illegal.

Soliciting minors to perform sex acts is illegal. (contributing to the delinquency of minor.)

These GSA is only about performing recreational sex.

So if you encourage young children to get married when they grow up, you are committing a crime? I mean, after all, you're telling them they should go have sex eventually, and you're trying to tell them which gender to have sex with. Isn't that what you complain about these gay rights groups doing?

These GSA is only about performing recreational sex.

That's your view of them. If so, why is the organization entitled "Gay-Straight Alliance?" I mean, if the point is for everyone to be gay, why would the group want any straight members?

Maybe the group exists to promote a gay rights political agenda and provide emotional support for kids who think they might be homosexual. Neither of those objectives are illegal.

244 posted on 11/28/2004 7:39:12 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: JohnHuang2

This is the kind of political-legalist activism that will get some poor,pathetic,derranged,homosexual kid killed by inciting some others to react. This is insanity over the brink into the abyss. Is this what the ACLU stands for? Hell, I guess it is. What they lack in eptitude, they more than make up for in lack of common sense.


245 posted on 11/28/2004 7:41:01 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: little jeremiah
The roles of mother, wife, and homemaker are natural aspirations for girls

Then why do you need to work so hard to convince girls to become stay-at-home moms? Why are you afraid they will choose professional careers over raising large families, or choose lesbianism?

The roles of wife, mother and homemaker are not only consistent with natural law, but are actually the foundation of the natural family, and therefore, human society.

So you want special consideration for things consistent with natural law? I know this is a tired argument, but people used to say slavery was justified by common law. And abolitionist literature was banned in many states. Sometimes, search warrants were written up for books. I don't see any reason to give your viewpoint any special advantages over other viewpoints. If it really is consistent with natural law, why isn't it strong enough to stand on its own?

To compare the honorable roles of wife and mother to a life of same sex sodomy

a) many honorable wives/mothers practice opposite-sex sodomy inside their marriages (oral and anal intercourse isn't exactly unknown to most women)
b) why is the role of mother inconsistent with a life of same-sex sodomy? If a heterosexual sodomite single mother can raise a family, why can't a homosexual sodomite in a long-term relationship?

I don't have to believe gay people are equally good parents, I just have to believe that they are within their rights to raise children, and thus the same protections (recognized by SCOTUS) would apply to them as to heterosexual families.

The single, sole point which distinguishes a "homosexual" from anyone else is the methods and orifices used to obtain sexual gratification.

Wrong. There are faithful, married, heterosexual men who take it up the backside (don't ask how unless you want to find out) and women of all sexual orientations can and do enjoy at least three orifices (there is also the urethra, but I'm guessing not many people meddle with that, although some do).

The difference is only in the gender of the people they are romantically interested in.

That's it, there is no more to be said. Someone needs a club for that? In high school?

What distinguishes blacks from whites? Their skin color? Do they need a club for that? Of course not. But does the first amendment guarantee them that right. Yeah. Whether homoseuxality is a choice or people are born with it (or a little of both) either way they have a right to form their own club.

246 posted on 11/28/2004 7:50:31 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: JohnHuang2

If I were a parent in this school district, I would be taking a particular interest in Mr. Esseks and his kneecaps.


247 posted on 11/28/2004 7:56:11 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Grampa Dave

The openly homosexual leader of the ACLU and his friends consider themselves crusaiders. If they are not set back on their heels and told they have pushed America too far there will be an extreme reaction. Piece by piece they are dismantleing decency and coarsening the culture,..flag burnings, sexual promiscuity, abortion,homosexual agenda, removal of any mention of God in public discourse or buildings,...and on and on. The pressures they are creating is like a spring on mainline Americans and it is being pressed down harder and harder. And when it give,.. Watch out. The more it is compressed, the more violent the response will be. Quiet conservative Americans have set aside much of political correctness to order their daily lives. But the ACLU and the radical homosexual agenda keeps poking a stick at this tiger, and he knows how to get out of his cage now. I believe they are trying to provoke a reaction in order to continue change. It is the old theory of Hagel...Thesis + Antithesis =yields Synthesis. Change. Out of conflict it seems, with few exceptions, our culture moves ever leftward. We must keep up the fight or they will prevail. Mr. Bush needs to pack the courts with 4 more Scalias and much of it will be accomplished.


248 posted on 11/28/2004 8:03:43 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: JohnHuang2

It's time to demand of our elected leaders that all public funding of the ACLU be stopped.


249 posted on 11/28/2004 8:12:30 PM PST by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: Sun Soldier
Fear your own lack of involvement in your children's lives. A one hour video is not going to change the results of solid parenting.

I do not want my children to be exposed to any deviant behavior at a young age. Indoctrination into a lifestyle starts with getting familiar with it and openly discussing it. That is what the ACLU wants--parents discussing deviant behavior with their children.

Children do not have the maturity to handle an issue that is so emotionally laden. By exposing it to them at a young age, they learn that the possibility of that behavior exists and people participate in it. It makes it become a "normal" thing and another possible lifestyle. Confusion reigns--especially in young boys about their sexuality and the knowledge of homosexuality will make it become an option for them.

The lifestyle is learned in most cases, and the first thing is to expose young kids to the concept and the idea--so it removes some of the natural aversion to the lifestyle.

250 posted on 11/28/2004 8:37:55 PM PST by savagesusie (I need my Savage fix!!!!)
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To: xm177e2
GLSEN formed the Gay Straight Clubs as an arm of their "education" efforts. Part of their education effort is encouraging MINORS to experiment with homosexual sex.

http://www.forthechildreninc.org

These are the audio tapes of actual GLSEN training lectures. The are available for ALL to hear what the Gay Straight Club objectives are for children.



=begin list=

1. Brian Camenker: Background Information on the Current State of Affairs in the Massachusetts Public Schools (Length 5:28)

2. Scott Whiteman: Introducing the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network, GLSEN (Length 4:16)

3. Scott Whiteman: Department of Education Helping to Put Children into Sexual Exploratory Mode (Length 3:55)

4. Scott Whiteman: Gay Straight Alliance (GSA), Coming to a School Near You (Length 2:26)

5. Scott Whiteman: What Your Child Can Do On An All Out Sex Date (Length 4:41)

6. Scott Whiteman: Teaching Children to Try Something Bad... TRIBADISM (Length 3:38)

7. Scott Whiteman: Children Learn About 'Fisting' (Length 5:36)

8 . Scott Whiteman: As With Vegetables, Children Shouldn't Knock Homosexuality Until They Have Tried It (Length 8:02)

9. Scott Whiteman: A Poem On The Real Agenda (Length 2:49)

10. Brian Camenker: The Big Lie (Length 3:32)
251 posted on 11/28/2004 8:43:00 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: savagesusie

There is no counter point to this video. It is presented as truth with no allowance to question or disagreement.

There is no "free speech" allowance to permit other secular organizations to present evidence with contradicts the homosexual point of view.

This would be no different than forcing the KKK into school and forbidding contrary views.


252 posted on 11/28/2004 8:45:39 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Exactly. In the ACLU's universe, to question the "normal" nature or morality of homosexuality is a "hate crime." Which why you won't hear an opposing point of view at this so-called "tolerance" session. The Left cannot survive in the arena of ideas.


253 posted on 11/28/2004 8:52:29 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: xm177e2
If a bunch of girls wanted to start a "Susie Homemakers' Club" where they would plan to snag a man and raise a family, would you want the club banned? Why two different standards, one for pro-heterosexual and one for pro-homosexual clubs?

Susie is advocating a normal, life-affirming way of life. The homosexual club is promoting a deadly, perverted, anti-family way of life. I would also say that schools should not promote lifestyles which exclude an entire sex, which the intolerant homosexual lifestyle does. It is a vile, exclusive, hateful lifestyle.

Homosexuality teaching in school curriculum also undermines the religious teaching of the children's parents. That alone should cause parents to sue schools for interfering with their rights to teach religious absolutes to their children.

254 posted on 11/28/2004 9:20:24 PM PST by savagesusie (I need my Savage fix!!!!)
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To: longtermmemmory

You are absolutely correct!


255 posted on 11/28/2004 9:24:29 PM PST by savagesusie (I need my Savage fix!!!!)
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To: savagesusie
Susie is advocating a normal, life-affirming way of life

So you want the schools to give preferential treatment to your view of life (which isn't shared by all people).

Conservatives aren't the only ones good at talking about values. Schools can just as easily shut down anti-gay viewpoints by making moral arguments (on the grounds that gay-bashing is not "life-affirming"). If you think schools can ban pro-gay clubs, you have to accept that other schools will ban anti-gay clubs (unless what you really want is your set of values imposed on the entire nation--good luck trying to do that!)

I would also say that schools should not promote lifestyles which exclude an entire sex

Okay, we'll start by making it illegal to discuss priesthood or joining a nunnery. Who says the gay lifestyle excludes any sex? There are gay men and gay women. There are bisexuals who are more inclusive than homo- or heterosexuals. There are "fag hags" (straight women who hang out with gay men). Most gay men probably interact with more women than the average straight man does or wants to.

Homosexuality teaching in school curriculum also undermines the religious teaching of the children's parents. That alone should cause parents to sue schools for interfering with their rights to teach religious absolutes to their children.

Some parents want to teach their kids the world is flat, others want to teach that homsexuality is a sin, and still others yet want to teach that blacks are subhuman. Sorry, but the fact that public schools teach stuff (which someone, somewhere, objects to) is not a violation. If it was, schools couldn't teach anything.

256 posted on 11/28/2004 9:31:02 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2; All
Texas, as some other states, has a law which specifically mandates the teaching that homosexuality is an unacceptable lifestyle choice.

These are the two statutes:

§ 163.002. INSTRUCTIONAL ELEMENTS. Course materials
and instruction relating to sexual education or sexually
transmitted diseases should include:
(1) an emphasis on sexual abstinence as the only
completely reliable method of avoiding unwanted teenage pregnancy
and sexually transmitted diseases;
(2) an emphasis on the importance of self-control,
responsibility, and ethical conduct in making decisions relating to
sexual behavior;
(3) statistics, based on the latest medical
information, that indicate the efficacy of the various forms of
contraception;
(4) information concerning the laws relating to the
financial responsibilities associated with pregnancy, childbirth,
and child rearing;
(5) information concerning the laws prohibiting
sexual abuse and the legal and counseling options available to
victims of sexual abuse;
(6) information on how to cope with and rebuff
unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances, as well as the
importance of avoiding the sexual exploitation of other persons;
(7) psychologically sound methods of resisting
unwanted peer pressure; and
(8) emphasis, provided in a factual manner and from a
public health perspective, that homosexuality is not a lifestyle
acceptable to the general public
and that homosexual conduct is a
criminal offense under Section 21.06, Penal Code.

Added by Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 14, § 51, eff. Sept. 1, 1991.


and



§ 85.007. EDUCATION PROGRAMS FOR MINORS.
(a) The
department shall give priority to developing model education
programs for persons younger than 18 years of age.

(b) The materials in the education programs intended for
persons younger than 18 years of age must:
(1) emphasize sexual abstinence before marriage and
fidelity in marriage as the expected standard in terms of public
health and the most effective ways to prevent HIV infection,
sexually transmitted diseases, and unwanted pregnancies; and
(2) state that homosexual conduct is not an acceptable
lifestyle
and is a criminal offense under Section 21.06, Penal
Code.

(c) In addition, the materials in the education program
intended for persons younger than 18 years of age must:
(1) teach that sexual activity before marriage is
likely to have harmful psychological and physical consequences;
(2) teach adolescents ways to recognize and respond to
unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances;
(3) teach that the use of alcohol or drugs increases a
person's vulnerability to unwanted sexual advances; and
(4) emphasize the importance of attaining
self-sufficiency before engaging in sexual activity.

Added by Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 14, § 36, eff. Sept. 1, 1991.
Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 1411, § 24.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1999.



The severability of the criminal portion does not mitigate the requirement that students MUST be taught homosexual conduct is unacceptable.
257 posted on 11/28/2004 10:12:23 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: xm177e2

It if very clear the Gay/Straight clubs are specifically designed to encourage undage homosexual sex. If mothers or fathers want to condiditon their children to practice homosexual sex, as a 1-3% population group, they are free to do their recreational sex lessons OFF school grounds and hours.


258 posted on 11/28/2004 10:15:20 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: JohnHuang2

That's it the ACLU is now officially Public Enemy #1!


259 posted on 11/28/2004 10:16:23 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: JohnHuang2
Let's force him to listen to Rush Limbaugh. Tolerence training for liberals.
260 posted on 11/28/2004 10:18:42 PM PST by AVNevis (Be Thankful for President Bush)
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