No need to start name calling, this has been up till now a very good thread. Lot's of good exchanges in ideas. I don't agree with shouthack, but he is not unpleasant to talk to.
You're right. Sorry.
There is a certain thing called legitimacy. I do think that debate on this forum is not limited to politeness as our RAT competitors would have it. Debate is raucous and we should be also. When I see BS I think the proper way to respond is by naming it such. When I see a drunken stupor in the middle of a debate I think the right way to respond is to tell my opponent to sober up and call me in the morning. Am I wrong?