Posted on 11/26/2004 10:09:05 PM PST by CHARLITE
Very sick pseudo-ecumenical stuff from you Mr.Blind Eye. Are you blind in just one eye? How's the other eye doing? Is it fast going blind too?
Very well put. She must have some interesting thoughts about Kerry, Hill, and the rest of the leftist appeasers/Islamo fascist accomodaters.
I'm ashamed to say that I was not alarmed enough by the first World Trade Tower attack. The blind mullah in the dock with his creeepy followers looked and sounded like lunatics, but NY police/judicial authorities seemed to bend over backwards to treat them well. Way too well. I can't think that the average drug offender/arrestee isn't treated like that, or anyone else arrested for whatever.
I have studied about islam before 911 and after and what you say is good. 911 broadcast all the necessary information about Islam, not about all Moslems, yet, though the Turks and Malaysians are beginning to slide also toward the pit.
I have studied about islam before 911 and after and what you say is good. 911 broadcast all the necessary information about Islam, not about all Moslems, yet, though the Turks and Malaysians are beginning to slide also toward the pit.
If you watched Fox's special on the rest of the world hates America last night, your hair probably turned white. I fell asleep to the knowledge that Muslim/Aljazeera/Jihad nutjob tv etc. propaganda outlets are pumping out lying filth 24/7 to Arab masses. We seem to have two choices. Kill them all or show them there's a way to live...if they're smart enough to take it. That's what Iraq's all about, of course. This country should have a full and honest discussion about what we face if Iraq doesn't work. Leftist elitists should be made to acknowledge publicly where their real loyalties lie. They're either with us or against us. Simple as that.
"Not allMuslims practice the same....."
You are probably right about this but to allow a religion? (cult) to worship freely that teaches death to us guys is, in my opinion okaying a KKK type organization.
TENETS ! it's TENETS!
Tenants of Islam are folks renting flats from the mullah.
Is that radication by irradiation?
I hate that little jab abotu the Inquisition. How many did get killed in the INquisition? the max number states about 30,000 -- over 3 centuries. How many did the Muslimes on ONE day (9/11) ? 3,000. How many did the Muslimes kill in India over the period from the 11th century to the 13th? an estimated 50 million
nuke Makkah and Madinah
Don't forget that we have two islamicc pit vipers as 'allies' -- Pakistan and Saudi A
Islam in general is becoming radicalized pretty quickly. The number of "moderates" is declining radically. The core of the religion itself is radical and deadly. It is hard for these moderates to openly or effectively oppose those who promote the religion as it is in the Koran. It makes them feel like heretics and weaklings.
They all study and memorize the same book and that book is explicit about how a Moslem is to treat nonMoslems. They are to lie and to kill and to force conversions until all the world is Islamic. Christians are exhorted to go and convert all people by bring them the good news. The implication is that it all depends on the persuasiveness of the Christians. Moslems are exhorted to convert and to conquer or kill until all are Moslem. The implication is that any means is acceptable to that end. All must be made Moslem or eliminated, not all must be given the information to make up their minds.
It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance of the masses. As if the above quote is, or should be, a big suprise of sorts.
All anyone, and yes, anyone, has to do, is crack the Quran/Koran and read the first ten chapters to see this straight from the horses mouth. What, half-an-hour of reading for a slow reader. Of course Islam/muslims, the Quranical kind, "do not fit in"! HELLO! That's what Islam is all about. Dominating and either forcing Islam on others or suppressing them otherwise.
It only says so in the Quran/Koran! Insofar as we know, there is only one single Quran/Koran, so seemingly anyone who is muslim reads it, uses it, and believes it. If not, then why would they be muslim?!
But it's all in there in very easy to read English versions that any 8th grader should have absolutely no difficulty understanding.
Yet, many seem surprised when Muslims and Islamic culture do exactly what the Koran/Quran says. I just don't get it. It's as if no one reads it, which I believe, and simply refuse to believe statements such as this post or what's in the article beginning this thread and dismiss them as foolishness and as being baseless. Then the problems come and the same people crying begin to scratch their heads.
That's a great article! Most muslims are in bondage to their religion and themselves suppressed by their leaders.
good article.
All Christians use the same book, yet how they interpret it and the way they practice can be quite different.
I don't trust straight democracy either, as it can turn into mob rule. And our founding fathers felt the same way, which is why we have a republic. But the neocons are wrong if they think a state-sponsored religion does anything but make people cynical about both the religion and the state (there is a whole strain of Muslim humor sort of like blonde jokes that present Imams as corrupt freeloaders.)
This country used to have, for want of a better word, a common "secular" culture or "civic religion" as I think Kristol put it, that agreed on "Amercian" values (hard work, fair play, tolerance in the un-PC sense, neighbors helping neighbors, etc.) In that sense, Americans did have shared values, compatible with an amazingly wide range of religions and cultures, that bound us together. If an immigrant came here and agreed to abide by these values, he "became an American" -- a cool way to put it, we have always thought being an American was like joining a club, not an accident of birth. Unfortunately, these "American values" have been systematically undermined by the PC crowd, knocking hard work if somebody on welfare is offended, fair play if somebody wants affirmative action, and on and on. I think this is the biggest red/blue divide: what does it mean to be an American, and is it important? But that's a little off topic, just note that Americans specifically believe in freedom of conscience and religion, and for the majority of the religions we've had in this country it's worked for us.
But because it this "civic religion" has been so successful, I think Americans have fallen into a trap that all religions are compatible with being an American. And that's a fallacy, somebody wanting to restore Aztec human sacrifice would come to the attention of the local district attorney pretty quick (except maybe in San Francisco!)
So is being a Muslim compatible with being an American? Me personally, I don't think so. The simple historical fact is that Islam has always spread through conquest, which Christianity by and large has always spread through conversion. I've read the Koran and some of the Sura -- it doesn't seem like there's anything in them to hang seperation of church and state on. Can the Muslims have a "reformation" and define which texts matter and in which ways? I don't know -- I don't see an "opposition" Muslim movement speaking out aggressively against the Wahhabbists and other radicals. There seem to be either apologists for the terrorists or Muslim groups in the west that maybe put out a press release geared towards non-Muslim consumption. If there is going to be a "protestant" Muslim movement, it has to be start inside Islam, be "on fire" that they are right and speak to fellow believers. I'd be thrilled to see it, but I'm not betting the rent money.
Is there anything in the Bible which encourages Christians to kill, enslave or tax those who don't convert to Christianity? There is nothing that can be reasonably interpreted to mean this. The Koran outright states it in verses that one has to labor to interpret otherwise and frequently cannot be interpreted otherwise.
"Nuconvert". Does that mean you have converted to Islam? 
Whether they "labor" or not, and whether you think it "cannot be interpreted otherwise", means nothing. The fact is, they DO.
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