Posted on 11/24/2004 10:34:15 AM PST by judywillow
I'm hoping I'm not the only person who has noticed this.
The Bush administration in the past has viewed democrat election fraud and the machinations of the mainstream media on behalf of the DNC as either victimless crimes or something they had no options other than to live with.
Nonetheless, as today's news from the Ukraine should make sufficiently obvious, the stunt which the MSM pulled with the exit polls in our recent election was not a victimless crime. The victim was the credibility of the United States government when it tries to say anything about exit polls not matching election results in other countries. That's the most major way in which anybody knows that significant fraud has occurred in an election.
As I've read and heard it, the republican party was doing its own exit polling and knew it had won the race, i.e. that it had both Florida and Ohio, by about 2:00 PM on election day.
Somebody has to go after these idiots if we want to have any credibility or any system at all. Letting this one go by should not be viewed as an option. A serious government cannot let a rogue media and/or a rogue political party put it into this sort of a bind.
Was that news or a vanity?
Agreed the enemy at home is the greatest danger!
Can you put up a link to the Ukraine article?
You may not read them, but you'll have lots of dittos from folks like me at FR.
The MSM has compromised the integrity of the US government and its ability to act credibly in this instance. I'm just hoping somebody in the Bush admin has noticed.
I think if you can find the article and link, you can post it unless it requires a membership. Only other restriction would be if we posted from sources that have asked FR not to.
Yeah,what post 5 said...ditto
The MSM is exactly who’s to blame for this... I knew something was fishy when FNC's Brit Hume was ignoring the exit polls... Shortly after, the other news channels looked foolish, reporting exit polls that were clearly bogus. Liberal MSM is an embarrassment.
Whether or not there was election fraud, and to some degree there probably was, it should be noted that the exit polls were only held in Kiev and the western provinces/oblasts. That's like having exit polls in Washington and the west coast/ne and claiming victory from that.
"That an exit poll is always right is an axiom of politics.
It is easier to assume that a compass is not pointing north than to assume that an exit poll is incorrect. It takes a deliberate act of fraud and bias to get an exit poll wrong. Since the variables of whether or not a person will actually vote are eliminated in exit polling, it is like peeking at the answer before taking the test."
But these exit polls were wrong. And the fact that they were so totally, disastrously wrong is a national scandal. There should be a national investigation to unearth the story behind the bias.
I agree. This was a media crime. I don't think there's any statute about it, but it was a crime.
Pre-election polls, if done properly, escaped this bias. Go here to see how various pollsters did and how much of a pro-Dem or pro-GOP bias they had.
The exit polls had too many women, too many blacks, and (in those states where they didn't correct for it with a separate phone survey to identify early voters and absentees) too few senior citizens. There were too few senior citizens because they were less likely to vote at the precincts. There were too many women and too many blacks because of nonresponse bias (they "adjusted" the numbers to reflect actual vote by tweaking the vote percentages in all groups rather than tweaking the relative turnout of the groups).
The real problem with exit polls is a paradoxical one -- it's that they ONLY INTERVIEW THE VOTERS and don't interview the non-voters. This is normally touted as a STRENGTH of exit polls because the real voters are identified, but in a high-turnout election like this one, that factor is outweighed by the inability to detect sampling biases. If you try to interview a random sample of all adults, there is very reliable Census data that will allow you to see if you have any biases related to gender, age, race, or geographic area, which you can then correct for. If you only interview voters, you won't know whether you got so many blacks because blacks turned out in disproportionate numbers to their share of the population or because they were more likely to cooperate with your interviewers.
Go to the local bar and cry in your beer. Here is the latest update on the polls Updated Late Afternoon Numbers Mucho flattering to Kerry; plus Nader makes an appearance. By Jack Shafer
Updated Tuesday, Nov. 2, 2004, at 4:28 PM PT
Florida Kerry 51 Bush 49
Ohio Kerry 51 Bush 49
Michigan Kerry 52 Bush 46 Nader 1
Pennsylvania Kerry 53 Bush 46
Iowa Kerry 50 Bush 49
Wisconsin Kerry 51 Bush 48 Nader 1
Minnesota Kerry 52 Bush 46 Nader 2
New Hampshire Kerry 54 Bush 44 Nader 1
New Mexico Kerry 50 Bush 48 Nader 1
Well I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. - Tom
I agree. IT WAS DELIBERATE JUST LIKE CALLING FLORIDA FOR
GORE EARLY WAS DELIBERATE. This was a test run to see how far they can go in stealing an election (just like WACO was to see how many Americans they could wipe out without any uproar) because they know damn well this will be the only way a democrat will ever win and stay in power.
I didn't believe it either. I'm director of election polling for SurveyUSA. When the exit polls came out showing Kerry winning big, my boss expressed concern, and I told him flat out not to trust those numbers, our numbers were better, but that Zogby would probably use the exit poll numbers and come out with a late call for Kerry, and disgrace himself (which he did).
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