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Cathedral Damaged In Apparent Anti-Gay Exorcism
Star Tribune ^ | November 24, 2004 | Herón Márquez Estrada

Posted on 11/24/2004 9:25:38 AM PST by wallcrawlr

An informal exorcism performed at the Cathedral of St. Paul this month was more profane than sacred and was directed toward gay Catholics, police and church authorities said Tuesday.

They said the ritualistic sprinkling of blessed oil and salt around the church and in donation boxes amounted to costly vandalism and possibly even a hate crime.

The damage was discovered Nov. 7 after the noon mass, and after words were exchanged between members of the Rainbow Sash Alliance, a gay rights group, and the opposing group, Catholics Against Sacrilege.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: cathedral; cathedralofstpaul; catholiclist; desecration; exorcism; gaycatholics; holycommunion; homosexualagenda; homosexuallist; minnesota; mn; stpaul
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To: arkady_renko

Put a possessed individual in front of a traditionally blessed Eucharist and watch what happens.

If an individual is truly affected by evil he cannot remain in the presence of the Holy. Some homosexuals may fall into this category, some are merely sinners in need of repentance.

If the pastor is bringing divine grace into his parish on a regular basis it will be evident in the fruits of the parish and the individuals. Chaos is not a fruit. Neither is willful violation of Church teaching (like giving Communion to those publicly advocating sin). If the pastor cannot be trusted to abide by Church teachings, his entire priesthood is open to examination.


41 posted on 11/24/2004 3:35:48 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: thor76

Nice post.

You bring up an interesting but puzzling paradox. Possessed people are repelled by the sight and touch of a consecrated Eucharist. Yet, Satanists are able to touch and defile consecrated Eucharists. I suspect some metaphysical influences to enable them to perform the latter?


42 posted on 11/24/2004 3:45:01 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Put a possessed individual in front of a traditionally blessed Eucharist and watch what happens.

You are a sly one, you are. Slipping that "traditionally" in there, which is meant to infer that the Eucharist in a Novus Ordo Church will cause a possessed person to dance a jig, I guess.

And, the Eucharist is not "blessed"; it is "consecrated."

43 posted on 11/24/2004 3:45:45 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: sinkspur

You have some serious issues which need addressing.

I can depend on a traditional consecration. I cannot rely on a Novus Ordo consecration which may or may not transubstantiate. In the event it does, it most obviously DOES NOT create the same state of grace in individuals and the Church.

Look at the state of the Church today. There are no good fruits. The Holy Spirit is with the traditional movement which is growing rapidly. The Novus Ordo is self-destructing.


44 posted on 11/24/2004 3:51:29 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I can depend on a traditional consecration. I cannot rely on a Novus Ordo consecration which may or may not transubstantiate. In the event it does, it most obviously DOES NOT create the same state of grace in individuals and the Church.

You drink the schismatic kool-aid by the gallon, don't you?

You have done as much to poison the religion forum as I or anyone else around here has.

It's a pity. You're not a dumb woman.

45 posted on 11/24/2004 3:58:24 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: sinkspur
They're criminals and should be made to pay restitution or cool their heels in the hoosegow.

You probably feel sorry for the guy in the Piston's jersey that ran onto the court and got decked in the face by Ron Artest. Poor soul din't deserve that.

46 posted on 11/24/2004 4:03:03 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: sinkspur
Archbishop Flynn is wrong to give communion to those openly and notoriously dissenting against teachings of the Catholic faith on the sinfulness of homosexual activity. The individuals involved here were wrong for their damaging trespass against Church property. As for the following, as usual the gay activists completely misrepresent the teaching of the Catholic Church and of orthodox Catholics. Homosexual activity is what is sinful, not the proclivity itself. Gay activists get so much mileage out of sloppy and ambiguous and inaccurate language, orthodox Catholics must be very careful in this area. As I have said before, love the sinner and hate the sin, but love and being "pastoral" does NOT mean affirming sinful behavior. And behavior is by its nature always chosen, even if the proclivity may not be.

Michael Bayly, coordinator of the Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities (CPCSM), an advocacy group for gays and lesbians, said such fringe groups perceive gays and lesbians who take communion as evil.

47 posted on 11/24/2004 4:04:51 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: sinkspur

No, I'm not stupid.

That fact should reinforce many of my points.

I may be harsh. I may not be all sweetness, giggles and light, but I wholeheartedly believe in everything I say and do. We can't deny the truth simply because it offends someone.


48 posted on 11/24/2004 4:05:02 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Grey Ghost II
You probably feel sorry for the guy in the Piston's jersey that ran onto the court and got decked in the face by Ron Artest. Poor soul din't deserve that.

Drunk fans and thuggish ball players.

Somebody ought to put a fence around the NBA and call it a zoo.

49 posted on 11/24/2004 4:12:35 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
We can't deny the truth simply because it offends someone.

Denying the validity of the Novus Ordo Eucharist is not the truth, Deborah. And you damned well know it.

If you don't, then you're not so smart, after all.

50 posted on 11/24/2004 4:17:01 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: wallcrawlr
Michael Bayly, coordinator of the Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities (CPCSM), an advocacy group for gays and lesbians, said such fringe groups perceive gays and lesbians who take communion as evil.

And everybody knows they are Innocents, right?

51 posted on 11/24/2004 4:17:31 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

The Truth is divisive. As I recall, Christ didn't initiate "dialogue" with the money changers in the temple in an attempt to be "inclusive", so that they could maintain self-esteem until they saw the errors of their ways. Yes, Christ has an infinite capacity for forgiveness, but always with the admonition to go and sin no more.


52 posted on 11/24/2004 4:17:44 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("All of God's children have a uvula.")
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To: little jeremiah; ItsOurTimeNow

Ping.


53 posted on 11/24/2004 4:24:46 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: thor76

That post was excellent. It makes me want to be mass right now, but I'll have to wait until tomorrow morning.


54 posted on 11/24/2004 4:32:02 PM PST by murphE (fight terrorism in the womb END ABORTION NOW)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

And, the Eucharist is not "blessed"; it is "consecrated."

Maybe........depends upon what priest is saying the mass, the validity of his ordination, the use of a valid rite of the mass, and the proper intention of the priest to confect the sacrament.

Without all of those elements, it's just a cookie!

"I suspect some metaphysical influences to enable them to perform the latter?"

In reference of the ability of Satanists to touch and violate the consecrated host in a Black Mass - rather then running screaming from the room - yes. But to try to toroughly explain that would involve the writing of a mini-series! Suffice to say that a true Satanist believes in God, in Christ, and believes that the consecrated Host is literally Christ. But here we are referring to high level Satanists, who have sold thier souls, and in some cases willingly invited possession in order to acquire and acheive greater spiritual/demonic power.

I am not referring to teenagers plugged into Ozzie Osbourne who sacrifice a cat or a sheep to get sexual prowness.


55 posted on 11/24/2004 4:34:19 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: arkady_renko

No - Judas left the first mass early. He did not partake in the Eucharist.


56 posted on 11/24/2004 4:36:03 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: sinkspur

Whenever your ready my friend:

http://www.truecatholic.org/pope/

http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/

http://www.rosary-center.org/nconobl.htm#prom


57 posted on 11/24/2004 4:40:07 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: sinkspur

First of all, I did not deny the validity of the Novus Ordo consecration. That is a complicated matter. I questioned whether a transubstantiation occurs every time, and whether a validly confected Eucharist bestows as many graces as a traditional consecration.

Second, you are not the judge of truth. Whether someone believes it to be valid or not is a matter of opinion frequently based on personal study. Last time I checked, we all have God given free will and mental capabilities. Just because someone disagrees with you does not automatically make them wrong. It would be wise of you to cease villifying every person who holds an opinion different from yours.


58 posted on 11/24/2004 4:52:15 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: thor76
And, the Eucharist is not "blessed"; it is "consecrated."

For the record, the above statement was not mine but belonged to the person to whom I was replying.

59 posted on 11/24/2004 4:54:20 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: 26lemoncharlie
You follow Lucian Pulvermacher, Pius XIII? ROFLMAO!!!

He's a friggin' parody. When I first read about him, I swore he was part of a travelling show, like "Patent leather shoes always reflect up."

60 posted on 11/24/2004 4:54:26 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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