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Mighty greenback now China's ‘money to burn'
The Globe and Mail | November 23, 2004 | GEOFFREY YORK

Posted on 11/24/2004 9:03:01 AM PST by snowsislander

Beijing — In Chinese street slang, they are known as the “yellow bulls” — the underground traders who lurk outside the banks in aggressive pursuit of currency deals. But despite their business zeal, there is one commodity they are unwilling to buy on the street these days: U.S. dollars.

“Everyone is converting their dollars to Chinese yuan,” one black-market trader confided as he stood outside a bank in Beijing Tuesday.

“Our business is getting more and more difficult,” he said. “It's hard to find anyone buying U.S. dollars any more. The value of the yuan is definitely going to increase.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; currency; dollar; trade; yuan
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Hmm. I don't know much about this newspaper, and I haven't seen other stories on this subject.

I believe that some freepers live in China -- does this accord with what you are seeing?

1 posted on 11/24/2004 9:03:03 AM PST by snowsislander
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Sorry, I managed to post this without the accompanying URL. Here it is.
2 posted on 11/24/2004 9:04:22 AM PST by snowsislander
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Sounds like another, "Bush's fiscal irresponsibility is causing the crash of the dollar" article.


3 posted on 11/24/2004 9:05:16 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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I live in Singapore and the greenback is falling.....I think it may be falling to quickly to soon.

I think Bush needs to stop this asp!

4 posted on 11/24/2004 9:05:21 AM PST by watsonfellow
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To: snowsislander

Good news... China will be forced to let the yuan float.


5 posted on 11/24/2004 9:07:06 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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Good news... China will be forced to let the yuan float.

That's what this article says that the street traders are betting on. I am curious if any other publications are running similiar stories about street traders or other informal exchange mechanisms that are running this way.

6 posted on 11/24/2004 9:10:07 AM PST by snowsislander
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Soros pumped a lot of money into the election ... he isn't a man that wouldn't hedge his bets. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


7 posted on 11/24/2004 9:11:32 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We are in the process of allowing them to self-actualise" LtC. Rainey, Fallujah, 11/04)
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To: Mikey_1962

As is usually true in socialism/communism, the Chinese will believe they can control this. The dollar won't "officially" float. However, the tremendous power of reality will cause the black market to respond to the situation. There will be a two-tiered monetary system; the "official" value of Yuan-Dollar and the "real" value.

Happens all the time in "controlled" economies...to their dismay and ruin!


8 posted on 11/24/2004 9:11:35 AM PST by jdsteel
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To: snowsislander

If the Chinese don't want dollars, I'll take them.


9 posted on 11/24/2004 9:13:54 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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I saw a story last week that every chinaman was cashing in their stacks of dollars for yuan, in spite of bank rules against it.


10 posted on 11/24/2004 9:15:01 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: jdsteel

They believe in Marx not Smith... always wrong.


11 posted on 11/24/2004 9:18:07 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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China to U.S. on Currency Revaluation: Drop Dead
12 posted on 11/24/2004 9:19:47 AM PST by Willie Green
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The supply of dallar will become so big that they will be forced to let their yuan float.


13 posted on 11/24/2004 9:22:53 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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"Sounds like another, "Bush's fiscal irresponsibility is causing the crash of the dollar" article."

One can argue about whether Bush's policies are fiscally irresponsible or not, but that the dollar is being traded like a discounted junk bond on foreign markets, underground or otherwise is a significant event.

The traders in China are betting that the yuan will have to float, given the fact that current US policy is not to intervene in currency markets on behalf of the dollar (which is a futile endeavor anyway).

The current policy, the current events and the response to them ARE Bush's responsibility. I think that expansion of government, unrestrained spending and election-year loose fiscal policy are a bad thing.

If you think otherwise, I'd like to know why you think it.


14 posted on 11/24/2004 9:23:26 AM PST by RFEngineer
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And the imported goods upon which we've become so heavily dependent will skyrocket in price, sending our own domestic economy down the sewer.


16 posted on 11/24/2004 9:29:50 AM PST by Willie Green
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No pain, no gain.

A dollar crash will be good for our domestic manufacturers and will turn around the consumer/debt mentality destroying the dollar.


BUMP

17 posted on 11/24/2004 9:36:15 AM PST by tm22721 (In fac they)
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I found another mention of an informal exchange rate mechanism that is betting on yuan revaluation in today's Wall Street Journal:

The report also said the recent inflow of capital to the Hong Kong market differs markedly from that of earlier this year as the market is placing far heavier bets on a yuan revaluation this time.

As the interest rate differential between Hong Kong and the U.S. has widened to more than 2%, big returns on these bets can only be realized through a yuan revaluation, it said.

As to the mention of the hedge funds someone made, they are more likely to be in a market like this rather than on the streets of Shanghai.

18 posted on 11/24/2004 9:37:16 AM PST by snowsislander
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If American's stopped buying so much Chinese imported merchandise, things would be different. The consumer is solely to blame.


19 posted on 11/24/2004 9:41:14 AM PST by Legion04
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A dollar crash will be good for our domestic manufacturers and will turn around the consumer/debt mentality destroying the dollar.

A falling dollar is good? How can you say that my net worth falling each day is good?

A falling dollar causes 'real' inflation and that is not to mention the prices of consumer goods made overseas. It is not like you can go out and buy an American made TV or even a Car that is entirely made in America.

However, the worst part of a falling dollar will be increased oil prices and OPEC's move to the Euro from the dollar. When this occurs, and it will, the US will have to Buy Euros in order to Buy Oil, thus increasing the value of the Euro and further decreasing the value of the dollar.

20 posted on 11/24/2004 9:42:50 AM PST by pete anderson
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