Who Lost the Ukraine?

NewsMax ^ | 11/23/04 | Dick Morris

[GOP_1900AD]

It is completely obvious. And as someone who is personally and deeply tied to the pre Soviet history of Ukraine, I must say that Yuschenko is the closest thing we've seen in this generation to a true Ukrainian patriot in the tradition of the old knightly and noble kings. Few are aware of just how tied to the West Ukraine was particularly prior to Russian expansionism after the 1750s. During the period 1500 - 1600, Ukraine had more in common with London, Paris, Rome, Vienna, Warsaw and Munich than with Moscow. This is a major big deal. And the increasing pan Slavic (in the old Kremlin bootlicking sense) climate here in Free Republic is appalling. Do any of these people realize what they are siding with, in the historical context? They are siding with barbarians.

[rodguy911]

Boy talk about a complex situation.

[Poohbah]

Heck, Putin has the most stone-cold terrifying stare I have ever seen.

You obviously haven't seen Condi Rice's Stare of Death. (c8

[FreeReign]

Putin didn't drop 27 megabucks to defeat Bush. Soros did. And this new guy is a Soros flunky. Not sure I like either candidate, but Soros is a definite enemy of America for personal profit (the money end of the WoT makes it harder for him to manipulate currencies).

Yes Soros is the EU's boy. He hates the power of a sovereign U.S.. On the other hand, Putin says he likes Bush.

Unfortunately, Putin actions don't support what he says and is a bigger enemy of freedom and he as more centralized power in Russia than Soros and Germany have in the almost as bad EU.

It's not a good choice. I still choose Yush in the Ukraine. Beside, I think Yanuk stole it.

[GOP_1900AD]

Well, the Kremlin bootlicker brigade here (a number of whom are probably SVR plants) will attack those of us who state the truth thereby demonstrating their true colors. And the existence of a prominent 5th column in general here in the USA, who might as well be SVR agents themselves, does not help at all.

[A. Pole]

They probably don't know the significance of Vaclav Havel supporting Yuschenko, implicitly to the point of revolution.

Vaclav Havel is a pompous, smug, hypocritical, politically correct flapdoodle.

Truth should be said and I have to bump it!

[rodguy911]

If the choice is Putin or Soros how the hell do you pick, they are both wrong for the US.

[Dan Evans]

"Pootie-Poot has been doing some might unfriendly stuff."

Russia was walking arm-in-arm with Saddam until the very last:

"Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm

[FreeReign]

Then again, they have no real reason to trust a EU dominated by Germany, either.

Germany doesn't dominate the EU as much as Putin dominates Russia...and apparently the Ukraine.

Yush is the lesser of two evils.

[GOP_1900AD]

That may be what actually ends up happening.

[Poohbah]

Well, the Kremlin bootlicker brigade here (a number of whom are probably SVR plants) will attack those of us who state the truth thereby demonstrating their true colors. And the existence of a prominent 5th column in general here in the USA, who might as well be SVR agents themselves, does not help at all.

So, many of those who disagree with you on FR are SVR agents, huh? Dude, I'd LOVE to see your MMPI results.

[GOP_1900AD]

I also do not personally care for him. But is remains true that Ukraine has an important ancient link with the Czech people.

[Poohbah]

Germany doesn't dominate the EU

Ahem. To quote Deep Throat of Watergate fame, "Follow the Money."

[GOP_1900AD]

Let me put it this way. Among the Putin cheerleading squad, some are here as a result of SVR orders. You? Probably not.

[Poohbah]

Let me put it this way. Among the Putin cheerleading squad, some are here as a result of SVR orders. You? Probably not.

How f***ing generous of you.

I'd STILL love to see your MMPI results. They'd probably be about as much fun as Ter-RAY-zuh's.

[Paleo Conservative]

Wonder why Dick Morris was so upset about the inaccurate exit polling in th US?

[A. Pole]

So, many of those who disagree with you on FR are SVR agents, huh? Dude, I'd LOVE to see your MMPI results.

SVR? MMPI? Can someone explain what it means?

[Leo Carpathian]

How bout dividing Poland and splitting Warsaw between East and West, just like it was way back?
You are back with your "Ukrainian Expertise"? Crawl back please.

[FreeReign]

"Germany doesn't dominate the EU" Ahem. To quote Deep Throat of Watergate fame, "Follow the Money."

You took the first part of my sentence and you removed it from the full context of my full sentence.

What I said: Germany doesn't dominate the EU as much as Putin dominates Russia.

[Lion in Winter]

HUGE BTTT!!!!