Posted on 11/23/2004 5:56:02 PM PST by wagglebee
I'm waiting for Gen. Wesley Kanne Clark to come out and scream for us to bomb the evil Ukranians who refuse to vote for the Soros candidate.
She's meeting up with the rest of the crew for some R and R in chechnya afterward. Where they are being hosted by Basayev and Vanessa Redgrave.
Democracies are messy things. In fact our Founding Fathers feared full democracies. We don't even directly elect our presidents - that is how little our founding fathers trusted the demos.
Both sides cheated in the Ukraine - one side was better at it then the other.
I won't start WW3 over a disputed election.
In any case Russia can call our bluff easy - what will the USA do to punish the Ukraine for making a choice it is against? Trade sanctions? That will drive it closer to Russia. The Ukraine has been a basket case since independence. Where was the Marshall plan to save the Ukraine? There was none and there will be none.
I am not a Ukrainian. It is not my place to judge their nation and their electoral results.
Where I did judge was to compare the hypocritical responses our leaders had (exit polls showed the other side winning - how rich!) over their election problems.
Putin decided the Ukraine would not be helpful to him as a NATO member.
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Excellent nutshell explanation by Morris.
In the '80s, those under commie rule waged clandestine samizdat campaigns -- leaflets, pamphlets, privately printed posters, etc-- that were instrumental in bringing the USSR to an end. These people are very good at ignoring mainstream media and now, with the Net, they can reach even more people. They are not as gullible as Americans who swallow hook, line, and sinker everything the MSM tells them.
" Both sides cheated in the Ukraine - one side was better at it then the other."
I keep hearing this --- but have not seen any evidence that Yushchenko cheated to get his share of the vote. Why is this continuing to be repeated? Where are the news articles or first-hand accounts of cheating? And if Yushchenko's support is that soft, then what the heck are hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians doing in the streets for three days, ready to die if necessary to oppose the Russian military?
However, the documentation for the cheating on the Yankovich side is wide-spread and well-documented. I was shocked at the level. They could teach the Chicago Dems all sorts of things. That level of stealing the vote rightly delegitimizes the election, which is why practically everyone including the US has protested the "official" election results. Anyway, if there are news reports of the Yushchenko side cheating, please post the links. Thanks.
So, which side is the NY Slimes on re this election?
Are you Uki friends Catholic or Orthodox? The Catholic Uki's are very much like the Poles, because Poland dominated Ukraine for centuries.
That wasn't my quote, that was the quote to which I was replying. But yes the Ukranian Americans I know are Catholic, except the one who went Lutheran. The things people do for love. LOL.
I'm still and always was against our actions in Serbia/Kosovo and I think this "election" is highly suspicous.
You will not get much info from American news medai because they don't have people in the Ukraine so they rely on outside sources. In Europe they report both sides cheated - but now the news is mostly on the people protesting the election.
First, it's very bad form to not ping the subject of your malicious gossip to the post. If you want the comment to be private, just take it to FReepmail.
Second, Franks was describing in explicit detail how the Constitution would be a dead letter in the event of a WMD attack. When someone who supposedly swore an oath to defend the Constitution lays out a detailed mechanism for subverting same, I am forced to question his true faith and allegiance. Maybe he just had a case of brain flatulence. But you usually don't get four stars on your collar for being stupid, or for being prone to misstatements. So I keep an eye on him and certain other people.
To think that he was, if not lying about it, in the Marines, a termite, with these sorts of thoughts, for all those years.
Yeah, thoughts like taking my oath of enlistment seriously. I defend the Constitution against all enemies, be they foreign or domestic.
How many more are out there, like him, within the ranks of both active duty and retirees?
The short answer: a bunch. Those who wish to subvert the Constitution generally don't join the miitary. Those that do enter get blanket-partied out during initial training.
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