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California's Latest Nutty Attack on Poor People
NewsMax ^ | November 23, 2004 | Limbacher

Posted on 11/23/2004 4:44:10 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

The elitist eco-hypocrites of San Francisco have a new weapon in their never-ending attack on poor people: Now they want to tax grocery bags at 17 cents a pop.

"The measure is primarily being pushed by environmentalists who view plastic grocery bags as a menace, not as a modern marvel of convenience," USA Today reported today.

Of course, 17 cents a bag won't mean anything to the Lexus leftists, but it's just another slap in the face of those who already struggle to scrape by in the expensive city in the expensive state.

"Folks take the free plastic bag for granted," sniffed Mark Murray of Californians Against Waste, which supports the scheme.

However, the fee "is an incredible amount of money to a consumer," noted Paul Smith of California Grocers Association. "Before you know it, that's an extra dollar to your food bill every time you go shopping."

No wonder California ranks a miserable 49th in the U.S. Economic Freedom Index.


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Deposit on shopping carts?
1 posted on 11/23/2004 4:44:10 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

CA needs a true blue Republican to unleash its economic power upon the world. Right now it is a sleeping giant.


2 posted on 11/23/2004 4:46:10 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

and then there's double bagging..


3 posted on 11/23/2004 4:47:44 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Dang, these folks have lost their minds. I hope they don't reproduce.


4 posted on 11/23/2004 4:47:52 PM PST by pharmamom (Visualize Four More Years)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Perhaps an enterprising capitalist can set up shop nearby and sell bags for 10¢ each.
5 posted on 11/23/2004 4:49:19 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: pharmamom

not likely it is SF ; )


6 posted on 11/23/2004 4:49:41 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Oh, just wait. Next Mayor Newsome will marry a (gasp!) paper bag to a plastic bag!


7 posted on 11/23/2004 4:50:00 PM PST by PeterFinn ("Tolerance" means WE have to tolerate THEM, they can hate us all they want.)
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To: pharmamom
Dang, these folks have lost their minds. I hope they don't reproduce.

Nope. So far all they produce is disease.

8 posted on 11/23/2004 4:50:56 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: Norman Bates
CA needs a true blue Republican to unleash its economic power upon the world. Right now it is a sleeping strangling giant.
9 posted on 11/23/2004 4:53:24 PM PST by sionnsar (NYT/Cbs: "It's fake but true!" | Iran Azadi | † Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: Norman Bates

I couldn't agree with you less. There is no hope for Kalifornia. It is being controlled by socialists, for socialists.

What the rest of us need is for the San Andreas fault to rupture so that the entire state drifts off into the Pacific Ocean, sooner, rather than later.


10 posted on 11/23/2004 4:54:01 PM PST by Banjoguy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

As a fellow CA resident, I hope SF does this locally for sure. I want any normal person left in SF to evacuate so the talent and jobs can go elsewhere.

Let the activists have their playground.

Baghdad by the Bay indeed.


11 posted on 11/23/2004 4:54:22 PM PST by ER_in_OC,CA
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Well, people could bring plastic bags with them when they go shopping...of course a lot of them wear out quickly, if you go back to the store where you originally got the bag maybe they will force you to prove that it's an old bag. It's still a stupid, elitist proposal.


12 posted on 11/23/2004 4:55:02 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Banjoguy

I disagree. If enough people smell smoke, they'll do something. Look at Bush's margin of loss in CA - a lot closer. There's hope.


13 posted on 11/23/2004 4:55:18 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Here in Taiwan the stores charge for bags - the equivalent of .03 US per bag. And their is a deposit on shopping carts at the supermarkets - leave yr coin when you take the cart, return the cart and get yr coin back.
You very rarely see plastic bags blowing around all over the place and never see shopping carts out in the neighborhoods.
I think its a pretty good deal.
14 posted on 11/23/2004 4:56:40 PM PST by Khurkris (That sound you hear coming from over the horizon...thats me laughing.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Do you mean to tell me that I can't take any old bag with me when I go grocery shopping? :-)


15 posted on 11/23/2004 4:58:25 PM PST by LuigiBasco (It's LONG past time to restart The Crusades. (What are we waiting for!)
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To: Banjoguy

Trivia for you -- did you know FreeRepublic was founded and is headquartered in California?

What state passed revolutionary property tax restrictions that other states have copied in the years since?

What state passed landmark restrictions on affirmative action that other states are now copying?

What state passed landmark restrictions on benefits given to illegal entrants? (only to have liberal courts destroy it?) An effort now copied in AZ with success in the 2004 election!

Don't judge a whole state based on what a few kooks in leadership do in one city. Doing so doesn't reflect well on you.

Should we judge Texas by that small town that made Spanish the official language?

Should we judge Florida by the hilarity of the Palm Beach recount in 2000?

Should we judge everyone who plays the banjo by that inbred kid in the Burt Reynolds movie?

I am proud to be a resident of an (R) county here in CA. A beautiful state with some great people, great businesess, great agriculture, thriving Christianity, and yes, some real problems.


16 posted on 11/23/2004 5:00:55 PM PST by ER_in_OC,CA
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"Should we judge everyone who plays the banjo by that inbred kid in the Burt Reynolds movie?"

Um, yes.

17 posted on 11/23/2004 5:07:00 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No wonder California ranks a miserable 49th in the U.S. Economic Freedom Index.

The question from this astounded reader is, "who could possibly be number 50?"!

Let me guess. Taxachusetts? No, New York! Wait a minute,... Rhode Island? Just a second. Oregon? No, no, wait...

18 posted on 11/23/2004 5:07:59 PM PST by Gritty ("The enemy has a face,he's called Satan,he's in Falluja,we're going to destroy him-Col Brandl USMC)
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To: Banjoguy
What the rest of us need is for the San Andreas fault to rupture so that the entire state drifts off into the Pacific Ocean, sooner, rather than later.

And lets hope Florida gets hit with a few dozen more hurricanes.

Hey, if the hurricanes get too bad, you can always do what the Cubans do.


19 posted on 11/23/2004 5:09:06 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
As I understand it, this proposed new SF tax is on the PLASTIC bags, which are selected by some 90% of shoppers when confronted with the question: "Paper or plastic?".

But PAPER bags were being used when I was a kid, in the 1950s...at the Piggly-Wiggly supermarkets in Denver, Colorado. No such thing as a "plastic bag" option.

The first time I remember being confronted with the "Paper or plastic?" quandary was during the Clinton Administration, shortly after the fiasco with the Spotted Owl Conference (where the Hoopa Indians refused to go count the Spotted Owls in the forest, as desired by the Clinton Conference attendees, because they were considered to be a dreadfully bad omen in the ancient Hoopa culture).

I thought the plastic bags were being offerred as the ENVIRONMENTALLY-CORRECT solution to the Paper-Bags-Destroy-Old-Growth-Forests controversy. Apparently now, a reversal has occurred & the popular plastic bags used by grocers in Baghdad-By-The-Bay must be discouraged through taxation favoring Paper Bags as the politically-correct choice for pro-choice, environmentally-sensitive and maximally-tolerant Baghdadians-By-The-Bay and Marin County Beautiful People, having reached the new conclusion while laying astride their hot tubs one night, stroking each other with peacock feathers.

20 posted on 11/23/2004 5:11:06 PM PST by O Neill (Aye, Katie Scarlett, the ONLY thing that lasts is the land...)
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