Breaking News: Russian Troops Intervening in Ukraine Elections

Private Email from Election Observer in Ukraine | 11/23/2004 | Bob Schaffer

[monkeywrench]

So, who's the good guy in this election?

[ModelBreaker]

Please circulate to your ping lists, if you think it appropriate. Bob Schaffer has requested that these events be publicized as widely as possible while he still has a means of communicating from the Ukraine. Apparently, the Russians have cut some phone lines out of the embassy there already.

[Lion in Winter]

Both crooks as far as I can make out. Anyway... this should NOT be the business of George Soros/MOVEON to decide who is ANY Country's president.... So, I would chose the lesser of two evils... the non-soros candidate.

[Truth666]

US senators calling - in the MEDIA - Kuschma to cancel the election. Kuschma has two alternatives : follow in the footsteps of Yeltsin of October 1999 or follow these calls.

Place your bets. After all it's the end game.
Both ways the nuclear clock advances, the question is only the difference in advance between both alternatives

[ModelBreaker]

I know about the Russians(where they come from) - but what about this guy - who backs him (what power or "money")- if you know.

I don't know. If I get further data out of the Ukraine I will post. I will enquire about your question. But it's not clear that communications are not being cut (see the article) so I don't know how much longer my source will be able to communicate.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Hope they can take care of this themselves. I tire of being the world cop.

[ModelBreaker]

B...B...But, I thought the Russians were our friends? Just ask MarMema; she'll (She?) tell 'ya!

And, they didn't even ask the UN. I thought preemptive intervention was only supposed to come with UN approval.

[monkeywrench]

Thanks. That's pretty much my opinion, too. Sounds like the Ukraine people get screwed, either way.

As many countries as Soros has peed off, I'm surprised he's still around.

[Pastnowfuturealpha]

I just read another article - guess he is taking over the country - Hope the people don't live to regret it -


Are we seeing the destruction of nations - just as what is happening in the U.S. - A guy thought to be good - gets elected(Clinton) - then does nothing but work to destroy - along with the old major media -

Who to trust these days - really hard to tell -

[Aarchaeus]

Yeah, it's supposed to pass a global test, isn't it?

[PatrickHenry]

Please circulate to your ping lists, if you think it appropriate.

Probably not appropriate. People join my ping list only for info on specific kinds of threads. I think you should rely on posting this in "breaking news" and then hoping for the best.

[johnb838]

Sounds like the Russkies are watching the administration to make sure they leave office on schedule. This is interesting. If the Russians send a couple of tank divisions into Ukraine it will be quite a bit more interesting.

[SlowBoat407]

I was working the switchboard at the AP the night the Soviets sent tanks into Poland during the Solidarity protests. Very exciting time in the newsroom, and we couldn't get a single phone call through, just bits and pieces from any calls that people could get out.

Now it's coming through on a blackberry. Cool.

[Just mythoughts]

Seen this?

[BurbankKarl]

Now that is a crowd!

Supporters of Ukraine's opposition presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko take part in a rally in Kiev's main Independence Square, November 23, 2004. Ukrainian opposition chief Yushchenko told tens of thousands of protesters to march to parliament, where an emergency session on a disputed presidential election was to begin shortly. (Mykola Lazarenko/Reuters)

Ukraine's opposition presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko takes an oath with his hand on a bible at the parliament hall in Kiev, November 23, 2004. Ukraine plunged deeper into turmoil with the losing candidate in presidential elections reading the oath of office in parliament while some 200,000 supporters outside demanded that the government admit it had cheated.

[ModelBreaker]

Hope they can take care of this themselves. I tire of being the world cop.

I doubt the US goes anywhere with this except to issue stern warnings. I think the folks there are going to have to make their own liberty.

[jb6]

Soros backs him, amongst others, very actively. And he has promised to pull the 1,700 Ukrainian troops out of Iraq.

By the way, just curious, considering that the majority of soldiers and officers in Ukraine's army are against the opposition (1 1-star admiral has come for the opposition) and Ukraine has a large army, why would they need Russians to protect them when they can do it themselves? Ukrainians even make up 20% of the Russian contract military.

[RightWhale]

at 4:15 a.m. on November 4, 1956, Soviet forces launched a major attack on Hungary aimed at crushing, once and for all, the spontaneous national uprising that had begun 12 days earlier.

[jb6]

The exit polls were only in Kiev and western Ukraine, the majority of the population lives in south and eastern ukraine.

[jb6]

Except that the majority of the population is against the nationalist western Ukrainians.