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Suspect says hunters provoked him; Vang says he was surrounded, called names and shot at
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 11/23/04 | JOHN DIEDRICH, LEE BERGQUIST and TOM HELD

Posted on 11/23/2004 11:17:04 AM PST by whodeani

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To: Flatus I. Maximus
It is just as wrong to attribute virtue to an entire people just because you had a good experience with one of them as it is to denigrate an entire people because you had a bad experience with one. This guy is a violent thug. Capice, paisan?

I'd agree with everything you said except the last sentence -- we don't have enough evidence. In either case, you are absolutely correct, just because he's Hmong doens't mean he should be virtuous, nor does it make him evil
381 posted on 11/25/2004 5:16:47 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Cronos

My experience with Hmong is that they did not become Christians until they got to America or shortly before.

http://www.hmongcenter.org/tradhmonrel.html

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/200108/27_goetzk_shaman/sidebar.shtml


382 posted on 11/25/2004 5:21:05 AM PST by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: hlmencken3

What I did quote was from books. Since you have had first hand experience, I will bow to your superior knowledge on the Hmongs conversion to Christianity.


383 posted on 11/25/2004 5:30:16 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Cronos

I've had Hmongs work for me as long ago as the late 1970s. While it's true they are victimized somewhat by the welfare pimp crowd (Lutheran Social Services is one) and know a lot of angles, they certainly are not an 'indigestible' minority. They frequently set up their own businesses, get higher education, and want to be successful. Youth gangs are a problem not unique to Hmong.


384 posted on 11/25/2004 6:11:08 AM PST by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: risk

The Hmongs and the Montangards were just a people to be used, in the minds of the politicians. Our Special Forces troops had a much higher opinion of these asian hill billies.


385 posted on 11/25/2004 6:34:32 AM PST by B4Ranch ((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!))
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Th at would piss me off to and I would have slaughtered them also

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386 posted on 11/25/2004 5:39:08 PM PST by JLO
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Maybe you've never seen a tree stand. One cannot be 'pushed and shoved' off it.

Depends on who built the tree stand. I've been in a couple treestands you could dance in, they were that big.

well if you don't know... most hunters use bolt action rifles... thus, it will not eject a round.. and it will hold the empty ihn the rifle...

I hunt in the midwest and many carry lever action carbine and automatic Remingtons. From my experience the bolt rifles are more popular out west where the longer shots require a bolt for more accuracy.

Experienced hunters with rifles and scopes at close range missed? I doubt it.

You must not get out much. I've done it and I've been hunting and shooting 40 sumpin years. My old man who taught me how to shoot has missed also along with many skilled hunters I know. Heat of the moment excitement, misjudging the range, target moving at last moment. Murphy bites us hunters also.

Deer often feed at night and move just before dawn and just before sunset. Mid day you are not hunting unless the deer are moving during the rut which is still seldom mid day, so you are relaxing or checking other areas for tracks or sign..

I've killed my biggest deer during mid day during the rut. Same for many buddies I hunt with. It's one of the best times to hunt since most are back at camp stuffing their faces. THe urge to breed will have deer running all over creation during the DAY and night. I also film for a living and this is the best time to catch the big bucks who normally are nocturnal and rarely seen except for game trail cameras.

As far as trespassing, I can think of two instances where I was given bad info by a landowner or the property line (fence) wasn't marked well and I ended up on the wrong property. One landowner was nice about it and I apologized and moved. The other guy was pissed and I could understand since I've run people off our farm several times. Glad they didn't shoot 1st as some here recommend or call me a poacher. I try and do the same when contacting the trespassers on our farm. firm but not overly aggresive towards them.

The taking the scope off first also has me wondering. Maybe one of them fine (cheapo)BSA scopes that had the reticle fall over sideways? I wouldn't want to fight CQ with a scope on my rifle, open sights would be better option IMO.

387 posted on 11/26/2004 10:30:19 AM PST by spectr17 (Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
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