On the other hand, this agreement makes them go back to Mexico to collect - Southack
"It is also another incentive to come here, since any SS they get from this treaty is easier and better than what they get in their own country." - Regulator
You made me laugh by giving me an image of illegal aliens saying that they carefully considered their retirement options when deciding to make a border crossing!
Perhaps you should just admit that you are reactively against any incentive to get Mexicans to return home voluntarily. You want your boxcars filled with illegals headed back South on every railroad in America, and you want it now, and if you can't have that sort of 8 million person roundup, then you are against everything else.
You made me laugh by giving me an image of illegal aliens saying that they carefully considered their retirement options when deciding to make a border crossing! Why? Do you think Mexicans are stupid? How racist of you.
The truth is that most Mexicans are quite aware of wage differentials, benefits to non-citizens, and the general status of people working in the U.S. legally or not. Word gets around in a lot of ways. Many of the people coming here aren't the squat laborers of the jungle south. A lot are the people who are essentially the victims of the feudal narcocracy that has developed in Mexico over the last 35 years (the feudal part already existed; the narco part got going in earnest in the late 1960s...for obvious reasons). They are, in fact, Mexican "middle class". Or what passes for it.
As far as the totalization agreement being an effort to coax people to go home, that's intentionally misleading nonsense. Mr. Bush does not believe in immigration laws at all, as the characteristics of his "guest worker" program reveal: no limit to the numbers, anyone anywhere can apply after a cursory attempt to find a "willing" American, and a three year time limit which is essentially meaningless due to rolling renewals.
He is not interested in incentives to go home. He is interested in constructing a global labor market with an interim goal of expanding NAFTA into the FTAA. Totalization agreements are part and parcel of such treaties.
Two things: you haven't answered the point about taxation obligations created by the presence of illegals. Do you think that we owe the citizens of Mexico, in the country illegally, anything? If so, how much?
Secondly, as far as mass deportations go, I'd be all for them. Boxcars are a little old fashioned, so I'll buy off on a real nice airlift. Something for the old Starlifter fleet to do. Absent that, why don't we take the dear departed Sabertooth's advice, and just make things "hot" enough that they will deport themselves?