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The Rising Threat from China: Seeing is Believing
AmericanEconomicAlert.org ^ | Monday, November 22, 2004 | William R. Hawkins

Posted on 11/23/2004 8:41:42 AM PST by Willie Green

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1 posted on 11/23/2004 8:41:43 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: AAABEST; afraidfortherepublic; A. Pole; arete; billbears; Digger; DoughtyOne; ex-snook; ...

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2 posted on 11/23/2004 8:42:34 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Got a great book for you, Willie: "The Coming War with Japan," which had all sorts of harum-scarum about how the Japanese economic "miracle" was "overtaking" us and how we were losing all our industry to Japan. Know when it was written? Early 1990s. Know how stupid that book looks now?


3 posted on 11/23/2004 8:44:21 AM PST by LS
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To: Willie Green

China, Russia, and the US will be in a war in this half of the century. The only question is who squares off angainst who.


4 posted on 11/23/2004 8:45:09 AM PST by redgolum (Molon labe)
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To: Willie Green; Jeff Head

bttt


5 posted on 11/23/2004 8:47:19 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Willie Green

Good post.

No matter what you think or believe about China, their
increasing energy needs alone are skyrocketing and you
have to wonder what they are going to do about it.

This was another good article to read. Especially from
someone who was there to see it with his own eyes.


6 posted on 11/23/2004 8:49:40 AM PST by the_gospel_of_thomas (Know your Enemy and Know yourself)
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To: redgolum
The only question is who squares off angainst who.

It'll be Russia vs. China.
We'll be waving white flags imported from China.
The French will gloat.

7 posted on 11/23/2004 8:49:44 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: LS

But, does China have the same (or similar) economic red flags lurking in the background that Japan did? Some, maybe, but I doubt they are anything like the banking problems that continue to plague Japan today.


8 posted on 11/23/2004 8:50:06 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Willie Green

What do we have to fear from a capitalist inspired economy? Capitalism promotes democracy, and China will become more demecratic. Their economy is growing, that is a good thing, not a bad thing. Is China going to invade the US? If China has land ambitions it is probably towards Russia or Japan or Taiwan. And they have co-existed with both Japan and Russia peacefully for the past 50 years. As China becomes more prosperous its citizenry have more money, allowing US companies to sell to them.


9 posted on 11/23/2004 8:50:08 AM PST by Pondman88
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To: Willie Green

That would certainly be a conflict in which you sit on the sidelines and cheer both sides on. However, in no sense should we want or let China prevail.


10 posted on 11/23/2004 8:52:01 AM PST by robowombat
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To: Willie Green

What the article said is irrefutable but it doesn't tell everything. Millions upon millions of Chinese are unable to sustain themselves in their villages if they stay there.

The migration to the cities is not only choking the cities but those millions upon millions of peasants will be unemployed.

You will see Russia - where you have billionaire oligarchs side by side with extreme poverty - amplified 100 times. The political reality for China is chaos within ten years.


11 posted on 11/23/2004 8:53:30 AM PST by matchwood
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To: Willie Green

Ohhh no does this mean that Americans will have to work as hard as there fore fathers did in order to stay competative. . . *gasp*

I'm not quite sure what's scary about competition, free trade, and this article? Although from the long list of companies setting up shop there I see that I not only have to avoid shopping at Wal-mart but I need to stop buying stuff from, Kmart, Sears, Target, GE, Krupps, etc, etc.


12 posted on 11/23/2004 8:55:25 AM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: Willie Green

Yep had we let Patton take out Russia and McArthur China we would not be in such dire straits

On the other hand...there were those in America that would not stand for such assaults on their commie brothers...

That is why they had to take out Senator Joe...

And why the MSM was able to defeat us in Vietnam as they are trying so hard to do in Iraq

Yet meanwhile...we gave them the Panama Canal build by us for us...and now they have the worlds largest container port and cargo airport in the world just off our coast...

They are making deals with their commie allies Cuba and Venezuela and emerging socialist Brazil

Admiral Thomas Moorer,USN (Ret.) For whom the F-14 'Tom Cat' was named has warned us of China' intentions...in Panama

We did not listen then... we are not listening now

imo


13 posted on 11/23/2004 8:56:50 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: matchwood

Well so much for communism in effect. . .


14 posted on 11/23/2004 8:56:52 AM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: Willie Green
Yet, terrorism is the weapon of the weak. It cannot change the global balance of power. And Islamic fundamentalism is a backward looking doctrine of social and economic stagnation.

I think this was one of the best points in the article. Islamic terrorism seeks to pull the US economy and civilization down - not so that the mullahs can build a shining city on a hill, but so that they can rule over an impoverished Islamic populace. Screw 'em.

A_R

15 posted on 11/23/2004 8:57:36 AM PST by arkady_renko
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To: Pondman88

>> Is China going to invade the US? If China has land ambitions
>> it is probably towards Russia or Japan or Taiwan. And they
>> have co-existed with both Japan and Russia peacefully for
>> the past 50 years.


Eh. China does have territorial disputes with Japan, Russia, Vietnam, Thailand and India. Basically almost all her neighboors. Your "Peaceful Harmless" China mantra won't find any (intelligent) listeners.

Fact is, in essence China is communist. No matter in which colors they paint it, it will remain communist. If China is indeed capitalist I dare you tell me one global brand that has emerged out of China? None. They steal, reverse engineer, mass produce, and flood overseas markets with sub standard good. This is not capitalism.


16 posted on 11/23/2004 8:57:47 AM PST by Srirangan
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To: robowombat

The planet is not large enough for there to be a sideline in such a conflict.


18 posted on 11/23/2004 8:58:43 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you were still in the womb, would you trust your life to Specter?????)
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To: matchwood

I don't think so. There is a large middle class in China that wasn't present in Russia. Also, the infrastructure is more vibrant. I think it will be an uncomfortable transition, and unemployment will be a problem until they finalize capitalism, but I don't think they'll collapse like Russia did.


19 posted on 11/23/2004 8:58:47 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: LS; hchutch
Got a great book for you, Willie: "The Coming War with Japan," which had all sorts of harum-scarum about how the Japanese economic "miracle" was "overtaking" us and how we were losing all our industry to Japan. Know when it was written? Early 1990s. Know how stupid that book looks now?

The authors of that work proceeded to make the most amazing U-turn less than six years later, in The Future of War, which proclaimed that where the 20th Century was the American Century, the 21st Century would open the American Millenium.

20 posted on 11/23/2004 8:58:55 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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