Posted on 11/23/2004 7:02:06 AM PST by Rakkasan1
Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since resettling here from Laos, though not always smoothly.
Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain that the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland, sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife management practices.
"A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in hunting," said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and hunt what you need."
Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers to help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's regulations.
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Well the gist from the article suggests that they may not be assimilating as well as everyone thought.
"Well the gist from the article suggests that they may not be assimilating as well as everyone thought."
I'm sure that's true in some cases. It would surprise me if it were not.
You're always hmong friends there.
Phooey. We need to deal severely with this individual, then come down hard on the rest (including other s.e. Asians) to make them understand game laws and private property rights -- or else!
I lived on the central coast of CA for many years and Asian "immigrants" routinely poached illegal-sized clams, abalone, mussels, etc. -- anything they could grab. They would be caught with hundreds of pounds of illegal shellfish and one wonders how many got away with it. They knew exactly what they were doing but counted on political correctness and the liberal double-standard for minorities to allow them to scoff at the law. In my book the law either applies to everyone or no one -- I'm sick of being jerked around!
too bad none of us blue states have "old sparky"
I've heard several reports of this over the years. The Hmong are mostly unassimilated and their customs do not blend well into American society. There have been problems with slaughterhouses, animals used for rituals and their funerals are something along the line of a week long. I believe they also bring food to place on cemetery plots. I do believe they also betroth young girls for marriage.
With the Hmong population in St. Paul the largest in the country, this has caused some problems.
At any rate, the DNR established a program in '95 or '96 to teach the Hmong proper hunting and fishing regulations. They do have an outreach for them.
It would appear that WI does have the death penalty ... at least for dissing a Hmong.
I live in the Twin Cities also Steve. I agree with you. (see post 46) Sad that we've brought even more over this year, and I've read yesterday that there are more coming.
This guy had a severe psychiatric problem.
Agree. Assimilation is a necessity for the strength of our country. Here in the Twin Cities we have the largest population of Hmong and Somalian in the country. We also have a large number of Mexicans.
What happens when these groups don't assimilate, is you get a division, a type of mini-nations among each other with no unity.
While it's great to celebrate and be proud of your culture, speaking English adhering to laws and being an American first is crucial to our survival as a nation.
You've just gotten a series of messages from a hunting companion to the effect that 1) There's an unautorized stranger in your deerstand, and then 2) Your companion has been shot. You take off for the gunfight without a gun.
I just don't get it.
Perhaps the people in his party thought he had been shot accidentally.
"With the Hmong population in St. Paul the largest in the country, this has caused some problems.
At any rate, the DNR established a program in '95 or '96 to teach the Hmong proper hunting and fishing regulations. They do have an outreach for them."
thanks for not bashing all Hmong. I count some of them
as friends. This is the bad side of going from melting pot
to melting stew. Diversity gone wild.I think whenever you get this large a population of any type people(I'd estimate
30% of East St.Paul is Hmong), you're going to have the
occasional nut case.
I was wondering how one guy could take on eight armed, experienced hunters, and score hits on each, without getting a scratch on himself. Guess the only lesson from this is the one you raise...
-ccm
We had some in my hometown. One guy decided to tie his wife to his car door handle and take her for a scrape around the parking lot for punishment. He was aghast when the police got involved in his personal matter.
One of them backed into my wife's car and set off a chain of events where they found all of them sharing the same drivers license and insurance. This was after Lutheran services went to all the trouble to find them a house on the bus line. They still insisted on buying cars despite the fact that none knew how to drive. The back of the house looked like a junkyard.
Am I frustrated enough to get rid of the land and give up hunting? Darned close...
Is it true that citizens have the right to protect their lives and property..perhaps by drawing a bead on those who threaten their property and lives?
media could not turn this into an anti-gun story, pro-AWB reinstatment story, or vegitarian story SOOOOOOooooooo they now try and spin it into a insensitive american cultural conflict story.
The two homes owned by Hmong in our block look like junkyards as well. They have a tendency to also want to park their cars on what was once a lawn.
From what I understand, the Hmong need to come into our century, and it's not been a successful transition with the large number of people deposited here at one time.
"The back of the house looked like a junkyard."
A few years back, I lived in central Minneapolis, and a Hmong family lived across the alley.
They were decent enough, though about 20 of them lived in one house.
Then the strangest thing happened. I arrived home from work one day to find their backyard filled with live chickens. That's a weird sight in the inner city.
A week later they were all gone. I never found out if the city got down on them or if they were "harvested."
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