Collision of cultures-Hmong and white hunters have had disputes in the woods.

pioneer press ^ | 11-22-04 | TODD NELSON and ALEX FRIEDRICH

[Rakkasan1]

Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since resettling here from Laos, though not always smoothly.

Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain that the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland, sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife management practices.

"A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in hunting," said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and hunt what you need."

Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers to help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's regulations.

[Rakkasan1]

Vang has been arrested before for taking way too many crappies (something like 93 fish over the limit)

[wideawake]

If this guy has been arrested before for blatantly violating hunting laws, he clearly was a "man on a mission" and a ticking timebomb waiting to explode.

[loborojo]

Bush's culture of violence at fault again.

[JudyinCanada]

I knew it. It's the fault of The Great White Bullying Hunter.

[EggsAckley]

Collision of Cultures

Collision of cultures my a$$. This is America. These people have certainly been here long enough to know the rules and the laws.

The guy is a mad dog and needs to be exterminated as such.

[Noachian]

I had heard about this "hunting incident" from the MSM, but they never mentioned that he was Hmong.

[Moose4]

I find it hard to believe that people as intelligent and hard-working as the Hmong generally are don't understand the simple concept of not hunting on private property without permission. Seems to me that this guy was just, as other people have said, a timebomb, or at least an a-hole.

Sadly, jerkwad hunters, while a tiny minority, are still a problem. I grew up on 65 acres, mostly wooded, and my father had to occasionally run hunters off our land come deer season. He also had to get tough with illegal spotlighters. When we'd see somebody spotlighting deer from the highway on our property, he'd go out and stand on the porch with a rifle with a big scope on it. As soon as that spotlight would sweep over the house and they'd see him and that rifle, the light would invariably wink out and we'd hear gravel flying as the jacklighters drove for cover. :)

}:-)4

[Rodney King]

Yeah, but at least Minnesota has a lot of diversity.

[laotzu]

"Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of St. Paul..."

What?!! Why?

[End Times Sentinel]

Clearly a hate crime.  Too bad there wasn't another Hmong on hand for Vang to also murder, but things are as they are and he needs to face additional penalties.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

[El Gran Salseron]

I see the apoligists have already started the, "He didn't understand the culture and it was up to the white man to accede to his wishes. Let him walk," routine.

[nevergore]

Does the Hmong culture espouse mass murder of fellow hunters?

I think not!

The problem with the press is they are always looking for a social problem to explain bad behavior, never looking at an individual who is bad.

NeverGore

[odoso]

"Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of harassment and intimidation."

Didn't take immigrants long to figure out how to use reverse discrimination in the U.S., did it? The favorite catch phrase of the MSM and minorities... and now immigrants.

Get some new material, please!

[HamiltonJay]

Damn, I had a feeling the guy behind this was either a Hmong and the victims white, or vice versa. The fed promises regarding these people is create a HUGE problem in Wisconsin... Tensions have been rising for a long time now.

[hushpad]

We should not waste time or money on Chai Vang.

Give him the "CHAIR" now or remove his citizenship and drop him down in Laos.

I am SICK and TIRED of third-world murderers getting citizenship and then killing real citizens.

This is an OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!

[MplsSteve]

I live in the Twin Cities and there is a huge Hmong population in St Paul.

I hate to draw generalizations but there is a tendency among many Hmong to ignore things like fishing/hunting licenses and limits on how much you can catch.

It's not a language barrier. There's just this cultural resistance to doing it by our laws.

Maybe they should go back to Laos if they are unwilling or unable to abide by our laws.

[Bikers4Bush]

This is one of the many problems associated with allowing these "refugees" to settle en mass in one area. They stay within their own communities and don't bother to assimilate.

[7.62 x 51mm]

"Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three..."

Maybe the "sKerry hunter types", but all whom I know expressed outrage and have called for the death penalty.

[Sybeck1]

Does MN have the death penalty?

[Eric in the Ozarks]

When we lived in Prior Lake, the Hmong families would fish under the upper/lower lake bridge and take everything, right down to the 4 inch sunfish. The guy who ran the marina was always antagonistic toward them and I suggested he leave them alone. He didn't and, as a result, was introduced to a couple of fillet knives.