Posted on 11/23/2004 7:02:06 AM PST by Rakkasan1
Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since resettling here from Laos, though not always smoothly.
Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain that the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland, sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife management practices.
"A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in hunting," said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and hunt what you need."
Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers to help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's regulations.
(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...
.......English as a second language laws?
Minneapolis police said they arrested Vang on Christmas Eve 2001 after he waved a gun and threatened to kill his wife. No charge was brought because she didn't cooperate with authorities, spokesman Ron Reier said. Police in St. Paul said there had been two domestic violence calls to his home in the past year, but both were resolved without incident.
The murders took place in WI, which has no death penalty.
It's not a language barrier. There's just this cultural resistance to doing it by our laws.
Maybe they should go back to Laos if they are unwilling or unable to abide by our laws.
Exactly, EggsAckley.
Ya think the ignorant, brainwashed newspaper-readers/Rather-watchers will accept this excuse for killing?
"This is one of the many problems associated with allowing these "refugees" to settle en mass in one area. They stay within their own communities and don't bother to assimilate."
That's true in some instances, but not in all. The Hmong in St. Paul live in every part of the city, not just in one community. I live in a neighborhood that's almost out of St. Paul. Two blocks away, it becomes a suburb. There are two Hmong families on my block. They're homeowners, friendly, have well-mannered kids, and everyone except a greatgrandmother who's in her 90s speaks good English.
There are a couple of neighborhoods in St. Paul that are heavily populated by the Hmong refugees, but most Hmong are scattered within the city and its suburbs.
No, we don't. Neither does Wisconsin.
They should be thrown in jail for years and fined.
That's kind of my point. They should be settled in various places throughout the states not concentrated in a single metropolitan area.
I have some land. One side borders a truck farm leased by a bunch of Hmong. Every year the little ___s cut my fences, build camps in my woods, and poach game. I've found dead deer with just the hindquarters cut off and the rest left to rot, caught men in full camo with centerfire rifles hunting out of season, and once while out grouse hunting caught one of the little S.O.B.S drawing a bead on my retriever!
Did I file complaints with the DNR and sheriff? You bet. Did it do any good? Absolutely not. It's always the same story; it takes the law at least an hour to get out there and by that time the trespasser is gone, nobody on the truck farm saw anybody or knows anything, and nobody speaks any English.
Am I frustrated enough to get rid of the land and give up hunting? Darned close...
You move to a new country, you learn the laws and follow them.
Culture is no excuse.
"The murders took place in WI, which has no death penalty."
Blue state.
I remember a Hmong guy in Minneapolis in the mid-80's who got nabbed for pulling a gazillion fish out of Lake Harriet or Calhoun. Was it him?
Quote:I hate to draw generalizations but there is a tendency among many Hmong to ignore things like fishing/hunting licenses and limits on how much you can catch.
I have some clients from India and they are proffiecient at breaking or ignoring my companies policies. It just seems like our rules don't apply toward them. Other people in my company have had the same experience with other first generation immigrants from other countries. And when i say other countries I'm meaning third world types.
Ahhhh, diversity.......
"That's kind of my point. They should be settled in various places throughout the states not concentrated in a single metropolitan area."
Well, that's one way to do it. However, new arrivals to the Hmong community get most of their assistance from other Hmong people already here. There are schools to teach them English, classes in dealing with a modern US City, and other services, all run by Hmong people.
Unlike many immigrant groups, the Hmong are working hard to assimilate, and are moving out of the inner city quickly to buy homes in outlying suburbs and neighborhoods.
Many are becoming truck farmers, leasing land which was marginal. The produce here is great three months out of the year, thanks to their hard work.
This is not a community of welfare-grabbers. Assimilation is quite rapid with most Hmong.
Deport them if they cannot abide by the law. The media is spinning a story that the Hmong hunter, breaking the law on private property who killed 5 people, was the victim.
Send these people back to where they came from. If this guy had been white it would have been another redneck gun but etc etc. The killer was a minority so he was the victim.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.