Posted on 11/23/2004 7:02:06 AM PST by Rakkasan1
Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have continued to pursue since resettling here from Laos, though not always smoothly.
Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say they have been targets of harassment and intimidation. Some of their white counterparts complain that the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting in their homeland, sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations and wildlife management practices.
"A lot of these hunters are people who have a strong tradition in hunting," said Hmong activist Michael Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for deer on his first hunting trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases of survival back in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and hunt what you need."
Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday at the arrest of Chai Vang of St. Paul in shootings that killed five people and injured three during a dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin. The natural resources departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to more than 75,000 Hmong counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong conservation officers to help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions and today's regulations.
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Interesting you focus so much on the problems they cause here rather than the problems that made them leave in the first place. Get rid of why they left and then you will not have to worry about them wanting to move here.
Contrary to popular opinion on FR, not everyone in the world wants to move to the US. Just because you and I think it is the best country in the world doesn't mean that everyone else does.
How big is the border? Would it be feasible to seal it off completely with barbed wire and brush?
Bad decision either way. If it's an accident taking a gun will harm no one. If it's intentional, a gun is the only hope you have.
Maybe they were there as accompaniment and weren't armed at all?
Where I fish in Wisconsin, there is no limit on crappies. Of course, they are in no danger from me in anycase, I can't seem to find more than a few a season.
The crime occured in Wisconsin, and they have no death penalty.
How would you handle that perceived problem in a free society?
They stay within their own communities and don't bother to assimilate.
Historically speaking, immigrants to this country have usually done that.
I would handle it by not settling 45,000 of them in the same metropolitan area.
Naturally, we live here.
Get rid of why they left and then you will not have to worry about them wanting to move here.
Suggestions please.
You already said that. Now tell me how that is achieved in a free society where people can move about freely.
So are the whites. And with considerably more justification.
Well that's very easy. When they come here YOU DON'T PUT THEM ALL IN THE SAME DAMN PLACE.
You see, we put them there. We put them all in one place when we allowed them to come here instead of equally distributing them throughout the country.
Had this been some sort of natural progression on their part your arguement might actually hold some water. It wasn't and it doesn't. We chose to concentrate the majority of them in one area the same way we've done to the Somali's. It's foolish and a recipe for failure.
I must be missing something here. These people are immigrants right? This is a free society (supposedly) right? They can go where they like, right?
Since when has this country "put" people places when they immigrate?
You clearly know something I don't about this situation, so please enlighten me.
Putting pressure on the Lao government and/or causing regime change. There are many.
Pressure? To make them do what? Change to free societies?
We have had limited success in that regard. It's not realistic.
We are a "kinda free" country in an unfree world. People want to come here for the economic opportunity, but they don't want to be Americans and do not embrace freedom the way we do.
Putting pressure on the Lao government and/or causing regime change. There are many.
Putting pressure on the Lao government to provide food stamps, subsidized housing with indoor plumbing, unemployment benefits, free education until age 18, Medicaid, AFDC, WIC, Social Security, etc., etc.
Fixed your post.
If we wouldn't have abandoned the country in the 1970s, it would probably be free now. We also had many chances in the 1980s to help but did nothing.
People want to come here for the economic opportunity, but they don't want to be Americans and do not embrace freedom the way we do.
Not everyone wants to move to the US. Ask the Hmong if they would rather live here or at peace in their home country. From the ones I know, they would much rather be back in Laos.
Assimilation should be encouraged but the Hmong are hardly unique in this respect. For example, we continually allow any Cuban that makes it to US shores to live here and they don't exactly have a stellar track record in this regard.
Yawn.
Historically speaking there has not been a huge liberal "advocate" industry who get their power and funding from keeping immigrants un-assimilated.
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