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To: AVNevis

Well there are some civil states with a democratic tradition that are largely not religious now. So Adams was wrong. Granted, the non religious are living off the capital of religious insights. I certainly do, and I am not religious at all.


4 posted on 11/22/2004 8:44:23 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
No, he wasn't wrong. The great majority of Americians and even the more secular countries that copied our constitution still must have some morals for it to be able to work. And more importantly this quote shows Adams believe religion had a place in government, invalidating the Michal Newdows of the world.
9 posted on 11/22/2004 8:48:09 PM PST by AVNevis (Be Thankful for President Bush)
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To: Torie
Well there are some civil states with a democratic tradition that are largely not religious now. So Adams was wrong. Granted, the non religious are living off the capital of religious insights. I certainly do, and I am not religious at all.

Well, looking at a nation like Belgium - which just banned one of its largest parties - it looks like that capital will only last so long...
12 posted on 11/22/2004 8:51:02 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Dowd wrote that Kerry was defeated by a "jihad" of Christians...Finally – a jihad liberals oppose!)
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To: Torie

(Islam) isn't in America to be equal to any other faith,
but to become dominant. The (Qur'an) should be the highest authority in America, and (Islam) the only accepted religion on earth.

(Christianity) isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The (Bible) should be the highest authority in America, and (Christianity) the only accepted religion on earth.


21 posted on 11/22/2004 8:59:15 PM PST by eagle11
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Which "civil" states are those? Last time I checked the US was about 92% chistian.


24 posted on 11/22/2004 9:04:24 PM PST by scars
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To: Torie
Well there are some civil states with a democratic tradition that are largely not religious now. So Adams was wrong.

For the time being, at least.

35 posted on 11/22/2004 9:21:07 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Torie
"Well there are some civil states with a democratic tradition that are largely not religious now. So Adams was wrong"

Actually, he was dead right, unless you think homosexual marriage, abortion on demand, no-fault divorce, the suppression of public prayer and fifty percent taxes were something the Fathers had in mind when they framed the Constitution.

Adams essentially said the Constitution wouldn't work in an immoral, irreligious country. And as I see it, the Constitution as ADAMS knew it is no longer extant. It may contain the same words Adams knew but those words have been re-interpreted to mean something the Founding Fathers never intended.

93 posted on 11/22/2004 10:46:13 PM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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