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1 posted on 11/21/2004 5:21:35 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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What was Istook trying to do?

I really like the guy in general.....

What was his goal?


2 posted on 11/21/2004 5:22:24 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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Was is Istook, or one of his staff members? Earlier reports were that this action was taken by staff.


4 posted on 11/21/2004 5:23:28 PM PST by the_Watchman
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Shoulda know it was one of our own. What the Sam Hell was he thinking?


5 posted on 11/21/2004 5:23:29 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Congratulations President-Re-Elect George W. Bush!)
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Is he planning on running for Senate somewhere, or knows someone who is and wants the returns?
Sure would like to see the Kerry family returns, but not like this.


9 posted on 11/21/2004 5:25:16 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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How about if we look at their tax records?

How would they like that?


12 posted on 11/21/2004 5:25:28 PM PST by Bullish
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this incident is a shocking disgrace.


20 posted on 11/21/2004 5:30:10 PM PST by Mount Athos
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If it is him he's got to go. What the hell was he thinking?

If it was his staff he's got to clean house immediately. What the hell were they thinking?


22 posted on 11/21/2004 5:31:03 PM PST by Arkie2
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Omnibus bills are a dumb idea.


23 posted on 11/21/2004 5:31:16 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Kerry for dork of the year!)
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Maybe I'm just jaded by politics, but I honestly thought something like this was already possible. Surely, if (for example) terrorism is suspected with one or more individuals, law enforcement and government officials would have been able to get the tax info regardless of this provision introduced by Istook?


25 posted on 11/21/2004 5:33:28 PM PST by Trippin
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Somebody mentioned Istook's name earlier, before Drudge posted this. No source was given.

I wonder if he was set up? If the bill is that big, how did the people who complained about it find it and object to it, unless they knew about it from a leak from Istook's office, or maybe even fed it to them?

Pure speculation at this point, I suppose.


28 posted on 11/21/2004 5:35:25 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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found at: http://www.dailyinterlake.com/articles/2004/11/21/ap/headlines/d86gjb980.txt

Lawmakers Hold Out Hope for Intel Bill
Posted: Sunday, Nov 21, 2004 - 05:05:12 pm PST
By JIM ABRAMS


SNIP

But there will be a delay in getting President Bush's signature. The hang-up is because of a single line in the bill that would have given two committee chairmen and their assistants access to people's income tax returns.

The Senate approved a resolution nullifying the idea; House leaders promised to pass it on Wednesday. Then, the spending bill will head to the White House.

"I have no earthly idea how it got in there," Frist said on "Fox News Sunday." "But, obviously, somebody is going to know, and accountability will be carried out."

Frist referred to the bill Saturday night as the "Istook amendment," and congressional aides said it was inserted at the request of Rep. Ernest Istook Jr., R-Okla.

Istook, chairman of the House Appropriations transportation subcommittee, said in a statement Sunday that the Internal Revenue Service drafted the language, which would not have allowed any inspections of tax returns. "Nobody's privacy was ever jeopardized," the statement said.


29 posted on 11/21/2004 5:35:40 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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There are many Republicans who have become RINOS and not because they are liberal.


31 posted on 11/21/2004 5:37:17 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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Don't you just love it when "they" call for an investigation on who did it? (Which by the way, whoever did it should pay) whoever signs onto something like this should pay too, wonder if they ever thought of that??


38 posted on 11/21/2004 5:40:54 PM PST by trustandobey
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I've had my concerns about Istook ever since, on the night of 19APR95, he reportedly told Reserve Deputy Sheriff David Kochendorfer (sworn deposition) that "We knew this was going to happen." (OKC bombing) and "We blew it".

Istook now denies his remarks, but Kochendorfer stands by his statement.

Strange stuff... (But there were a lot of strange things related to the OKC bombing...)

As far as I'm concerned, "the jury's still out" on Istook.

41 posted on 11/21/2004 5:43:41 PM PST by TXnMA
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Leaders of the House Ways and Means Committee can already do this (look at returns)?

"The provision, written by the IRS, was intended to give top appropriators the same oversight authority now afforded to leaders of the House Ways and Means Committee, Scofield said."

found at: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/nation/2911481

Nov. 21, 2004, 3:22PM

Spending measure OK minus provision
Senators express concern over an attachment allowing for an IRS inquiry; NASA gets boost
By GEBE MARTINEZ

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"It's not my fault," said Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, as he pounded his lectern with his fist in frustration with the last-minute snag that threatened to derail the bill.

"It's a terrible way to do business," Stevens said, agreeing with other Republicans who said they were surprised by the income tax return language and had no intention of snooping on U.S. taxpayers.

"We would never use that. We did not seek this authority. We are as appalled (as Democrats)," Stevens said.

Senate Democrats who inadvertently discovered the income tax wording blamed House members for what they said was a "breathtaking arrogance of power."

"This arrogant provision is open to enormous abuse and takes us back to some of the worst days of American government," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

House leadership aides said the controversy was a knee-jerk reaction to a misunderstanding of the provision, which was inserted by Rep. Ernest Istook, R-Okla., whose House Appropriations subcommittee oversees the IRS.

"It was not any surprise," said John Scofield, spokesman for the House Appropriations Committee.

"The Senate was in the room when it was negotiated."

The provision, written by the IRS, was intended to give top appropriators the same oversight authority now afforded to leaders of the House Ways and Means Committee, Scofield said.

He added that in two instances, the House Appropriations Committee was denied access to IRS facilities even though the panel oversees spending.

SNIP


42 posted on 11/21/2004 5:44:04 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Sunday that "accountability will be carried out" against whoever

Does that mean he will get two stern letters instead of one ?
44 posted on 11/21/2004 5:45:06 PM PST by festus (Old growth timbers make the best campfires....)
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Is Istook the Ron Artest of congress?


45 posted on 11/21/2004 5:45:39 PM PST by skaterboy
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More here:

Spending measure OK minus provision

Pubs are trying to say it was an inadvertent error. Someone posted the actual paragraph on FR last evening. It didn't appear to be so 'innocent.'

The linked article says: Senate Democrats who inadvertently discovered the income tax wording blamed House members for what they said was a "breathtaking arrogance of power."

Had the Senate Dems not 'inadvertently' discovered this, it would have become law and been a tremendous weapon. [Pubbies need watching, it seems; and they got caught with their pants around this 'inadvertent' blunder, thank goodness.]

If Hillary has slipped this into the bill, FR/Rush/Hannity and the whole conservative establishment would be ballistic. Well, it was a Pubbie who did it and Rep. Ernest Istook, R-Okla., should receive the same. Wrong is wrong whether it was done by a Dem or Pub.
54 posted on 11/21/2004 6:09:29 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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Well, I suspect some big wheel said "Wouldn't it be nice if we could ...?" The energentic staff then went to work with the "Your wish is my command" mentality and proceeded to stick the "nice" language into the bill. Lesson: If you are a big wheel be careful what you wish because some sycophant will run off to do it. Most big wheels learn this lesson in their first management job. But then again, politicians by and large have never held management or any other jobs.


86 posted on 11/21/2004 7:38:26 PM PST by Whispering Smith
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I'm guessing that Istook did it to point out how ridiculous it is for Congress to vote on such a HUGE omnibus bill without anyone actually having the time to read the darned thing. Maybe he was trying to make a point that, frankly, needs to be made.


92 posted on 11/21/2004 7:51:13 PM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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