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NYC's New Hope- street-smart churches changing the culture of USA's largest and most dynamic city
Christianity Today ^ | 11/19/04 | Tony Carnes

Posted on 11/21/2004 5:19:43 PM PST by dukeman

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To: wtc911

"Take the inter-boro to the south end, take a right onto Atlantic then a left onto Sheffield and voila!"

I wouldn't. And you won't be greeted with "voila!"


21 posted on 11/21/2004 6:31:15 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: wtc911

My mom may know where it is. I wont' ask though. She'll start whining about how Brooklyn used to be a paradise *LOL*


22 posted on 11/21/2004 6:31:19 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg

You mean it's not paradise?


23 posted on 11/21/2004 6:35:33 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

Too bad, I know a bunch of good folks there.


24 posted on 11/21/2004 6:38:59 PM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: durasell

My best friend was still in Africa when one her relatives got her an apartment in Brownsville. When she got there, she told the cabdriver to turn around and go back to JFK airport *LOL* I guess it's not since she's working two jobs to pay a $2500 mortgage on LI.


25 posted on 11/21/2004 6:40:47 PM PST by cyborg
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To: wtc911

I do,too. I've met amazing people in East New York. But you never hear about those on the news.


26 posted on 11/21/2004 6:41:26 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

Nothing positive seems to make the news. Those stories aren't ratings generators.


27 posted on 11/21/2004 6:42:08 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg

Ocean Hill - Brownsville is like another planet, even these days. The devastation of the 70s never got rebuilt to the extent it did in ENY, Bed-Stuy and even parts of Bushwick. Want to see what nuch of NYC looked and felt like @ 1975 take a drive there...or just head down south to cities like New Orleans, the similarities are stunning.


28 posted on 11/21/2004 6:44:04 PM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: cyborg

I still have my secret take out place I go to on Pitkin...it's a long cab ride, but worth it.


29 posted on 11/21/2004 6:45:00 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: wtc911

My mom and her sisters and cousins sold the old homestead they had all inherited on Pleasant Place just off Atlantic Ave a few years ago.

From what mom tells me, it was a lovely area when she was growing up.


30 posted on 11/21/2004 6:50:19 PM PST by katnip (Defeating John Kerry is like giving Vietnam Veterans the Homecoming they never had)
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To: durasell

My mom goes there to buy cheap material to make curtains.


31 posted on 11/21/2004 6:51:07 PM PST by cyborg
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To: wtc911; cyborg
Weren't there race riots on New Lots Avenue when the blacks started moving in during the mid-60s? I remember reading about that in Jonathan Rieder's (highly recommended) book Canarsie.

A new Evangelical church and school took over an old furniture store near where I used to live in Bay Ridge. I had to explain to the largely Catholic old timers what an Evangelical was.

32 posted on 11/21/2004 6:52:03 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: Clemenza

Don't know but I do remember when my mom went house hunting somewhere in Queens, she was told 'these houses aren't for you people' *LOL* Wonder what that person meant! ;-)


33 posted on 11/21/2004 6:53:16 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg

Yeah, I can see that. It was one of the last industrial areas in NYC. If I were a bazillionaire I'd buy some of those old factories and crank them up again...make something.


34 posted on 11/21/2004 6:53:46 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

Hey we're on the same wavelength. Had I won the $149 bazillion dollar lottery, I'd buy up all that property, rename it Renee Town 'no libs allowed'


35 posted on 11/21/2004 6:55:01 PM PST by cyborg
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To: katnip

hey, Jamaica was a good family place in the fifties/sixties.


36 posted on 11/21/2004 6:57:33 PM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: cyborg

Whenever I'm up there I see those old factories and think, "What a waste." You have entire, really well built buildings next to a population that needs jobs. You'd think someone would notice that and build something.


37 posted on 11/21/2004 6:58:14 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

can you say unions?


38 posted on 11/21/2004 6:59:37 PM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: wtc911; cyborg
Ocean Hill-Brownsville makes the Morrisania section of the Bronx look like Greenwich, CT.

The worst ghetto I have ever been to, btw, is Liberty City in Miami. What makes it all the more unnerving is the somewhat suburban nature of the place.

A black co-worker of mine told me that there are actually white folk slowly trickling into Bed Stuy, just as Spike Lee predicted. Artsy Euros mostly.

Now that rents in Bay Ridge and Bensonhurst are about level with Bed Stuy (and less than Fort Greene), it will be interesting to see what happens to SW Brooklyn. There are a ton of elderly people in those first two neighborhoods, although many Arabs, Latinos and Asians were moving in when I was there. The latter two groups are responsible for much of the growth in Evangelical and Pentecostal Christians in the city.

Hard to believe, but its getting to the point where the "people of color" in NYC are more socially conservative than the white folk.

39 posted on 11/21/2004 6:59:46 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: wtc911

In the 60's and 70's I used to go to Jamaica to shop. Gimbels, Gertz, Mays, Macys, Woolworths with their lunch counters and another place I can't remember the name that had the best hot dogs on toasted buns.


40 posted on 11/21/2004 6:59:59 PM PST by katnip (Defeating John Kerry is like giving Vietnam Veterans the Homecoming they never had)
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