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NYC's New Hope- street-smart churches changing the culture of USA's largest and most dynamic city
Christianity Today ^ | 11/19/04 | Tony Carnes

Posted on 11/21/2004 5:19:43 PM PST by dukeman

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God can turn a Blue city Red.
1 posted on 11/21/2004 5:19:44 PM PST by dukeman
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To: dukeman

Yep. In God, all things are possible.


2 posted on 11/21/2004 5:33:39 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: dukeman

As a New Yorker, I can tell you that generally the city is a great place. It is way too liberal, but I usually try to think of that as an unfortunate downside, rather than the whole picture. I say any place that has Central Park, The Metropolitan, St. Patrick's Cathedral, the Bronx Zoo, etcetera can't be all bad.

New York used to be a crime-ridden cesspool, but it's improved tremendously over the past decade or so. That's mainly on account of Rudy Giuliani. Yes, he's a social liberal (that's what made him electable here) and I wouldn't really want him in power in the federal government, but he was great as mayor.

Hopefully, as time goes on, the Big Apple will evolve away from the left-wing ideology. Oddly, growing up here, I never really thought of it as "liberal", not the way I think of, say, LA of Frisco as liberal. This isn't a place in which liberal ideas are generated or even really expounded upon; they are just accepted with an cynical inertness. Maybe that will change one day. To me, a conservative NYC would be nothing sort of a paradise.


3 posted on 11/21/2004 5:43:18 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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My family visited NYC (we live in Florida) in July, 2001 and absolutely loved it. We were very impressed with the city's cleanliness and friendliness and we will be coming back.
4 posted on 11/21/2004 5:48:54 PM PST by dukeman
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Churches have always played a role in poor neighborhoods. In East New York, they have actually built some housing, etc. And for the record, most people in Manhattan believe East New York is somewhere in Jersey.


5 posted on 11/21/2004 5:50:14 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: dukeman

Amen! NYC is sometimes more of a pleasure than the suburbs.


6 posted on 11/21/2004 6:01:22 PM PST by cyborg
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To: dukeman

Redeemer rocks. Join us when you're next in NYC.


7 posted on 11/21/2004 6:13:18 PM PST by NewYorker
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To: dukeman

One of the pastors mentioned in this article, A.R. Bernard, was a guest on Laura Ingraham's show last week. Sounded pretty conservative, and either said he supported the President, or strongly implied it.


8 posted on 11/21/2004 6:16:27 PM PST by Molly Pitcher
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Nobody, in the history of modern times, has ever said that in reference to East New York.


9 posted on 11/21/2004 6:16:47 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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I've never been to East New York :-)


10 posted on 11/21/2004 6:17:34 PM PST by cyborg
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Thanks for the invite. We'll try that! When we were in NYC in 2001 we stuck to all the classic tourist sights and stops (whadda ya think red state rubes are supposed to do, anyway?). Next time, I'd like to get much more of the local flavor for life in a big city.


11 posted on 11/21/2004 6:18:44 PM PST by dukeman
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To: marsh_of_mists

Livonia Ave. in 1976 was the flat out scariest street I've ever been on for any reason. Now, after Rudy there are garden apartments in the area.


12 posted on 11/21/2004 6:19:48 PM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: cyborg

You're lucky. I spent two years there...


The sound of gunfire, off in the distance
I'm getting used to it now
Lived in a brownstone, lived in the ghetto
I've lived all over this town

-- with apologies to Talking Heads


13 posted on 11/21/2004 6:20:58 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

Where exactly IS East New York?


14 posted on 11/21/2004 6:24:25 PM PST by cyborg
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To: wtc911

Those are probably the Nehemiah houses you're talking about. They are church based with federal money.


15 posted on 11/21/2004 6:25:51 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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Brooklyn...all the way out on the A train. For a scenic version, the next time you go to Kennedy Airport ask the driver to take you up Atlantic Avenue. You'll get the idea pretty quick.


16 posted on 11/21/2004 6:27:04 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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Is Livonia like Brownsville? I just remember my mom driving through there one night telling my sister and I scrouch down in the backseat.


17 posted on 11/21/2004 6:27:36 PM PST by cyborg
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To: durasell

Oh okay *lol*


18 posted on 11/21/2004 6:28:25 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg

Take the inter-boro to the south end, take a right onto Atlantic then a left onto Sheffield and voila!


19 posted on 11/21/2004 6:29:40 PM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: cyborg

Interestingly, East New York is where Fortunoff's started -- for you NYC trivia buffs -- it's also where brooks bros. had its shirt manufacturing facility, until they took operations offshore.


20 posted on 11/21/2004 6:29:59 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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