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The Hidden History Of Men (Anthropology)
Discover Magazine ^ | 12-2004 | Robert Kunzig

Posted on 11/21/2004 3:13:58 PM PST by blam

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To: SunkenCiv
"I beat ya by 81 topics, but hey, this one is soooo much busier, let's dump the following, older version:"

Sorry. I looked at my ping list and didn't see it posted. I thought something had happened with you.

21 posted on 11/21/2004 4:49:17 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Interesting article. Any ideas about the trigger for the marker changes?


22 posted on 11/21/2004 5:13:25 PM PST by Sarajevo
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To: blam

I should think that Kennowick Man theory as presented in the book of that name is well centered in this article's premises. Did not the local scientist who did the first carbon 14 date sample extraction say that what we now call native American seems to be a gene pool less than six thousand years old?


23 posted on 11/21/2004 5:28:54 PM PST by GladesGuru
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To: blam

Now I want to see the marker maps for Europe and the rest of the globe...and then we need to look at the mitichondrial DNA and see if some maternal patterns pop up.

It's been a long, long time since I looked at fruitfly chromosones!


24 posted on 11/21/2004 6:12:51 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: GladesGuru
"I should think that Kennowick Man theory as presented in the book of that name is well centered in this article's premises. "

That was this book.

"Did not the local scientist who did the first carbon 14 date sample extraction say that what we now call native American seems to be a gene pool less than six thousand years old?"

Yes. I repeat that often.

25 posted on 11/21/2004 9:49:09 PM PST by blam
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To: Carry_Okie

ping


26 posted on 11/21/2004 9:52:15 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Pretty interesting article (what I have read so far).

Bookmarking for evening reading ...


27 posted on 11/22/2004 9:10:59 AM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: blam; GladesGuru
"what we now call native American seems to be a gene pool less than six thousand years old?"

M3 mentioned in the article is the most common Y-chromosome lineage in present Native Americans . It occurred in all the South America and most of the North American populations that were sampled. Wells gives M3 a date of less than 20,000 BP. Underhill gives it 20-30,000 BP

Whatever the date, the geneticists findings are that these populations are considerable older than 6,000 years.
28 posted on 11/22/2004 9:38:39 AM PST by Varda
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To: blam

marking for when I have more time


29 posted on 11/22/2004 9:40:55 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: Betis70; blam

Glad you're here. The basis for the study is the Replacement bias -- a cross between a master race theory and the Garden of Eden -- and genetic studies can't tell us much of anything about geographic origin. Regardless, it was our pleasure. :')


30 posted on 11/22/2004 9:48:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Sarajevo
"Any ideas about the trigger for the marker changes?"

No. Drought?

31 posted on 11/22/2004 11:37:01 AM PST by blam
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To: Varda
"Whatever the date, the geneticists findings are that these populations are considerable older than 6,000 years."

I was quoting Chatters from his book in post #25.

32 posted on 11/22/2004 11:46:13 AM PST by blam
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To: Varda
"Whatever the date, the geneticists findings are that these populations are considerable older than 6,000 years."

Now that I think about it further, he was speaking about when they (these genes/Indians) began to show-up in the Americas, not how old the genes are. (Ahem, that way we are both correct.)

33 posted on 11/22/2004 11:53:24 AM PST by blam
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just two of a number of related FR (and GGG) topics:

Human populations are tightly interwoven
Nature ^ | September 29, 2004 | Michael Hopkin
Posted on 09/30/2004 11:17:34 AM PDT by AZLiberty
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1231661/posts

Maori Men And Women From Different Homelands
ABC Science News ^ | 3-27-2003 | Adele Whyte
Posted on 09/06/2004 5:15:41 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1208808/posts


34 posted on 11/26/2004 8:21:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
Febuarary bump.

Just re-read this article in my doctor's office. I liked it all over again...Especially after reading Stephen Oppenheimer's book, Out Of Eden.

35 posted on 02/11/2005 1:42:00 PM PST by blam
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36 posted on 04/08/2006 12:40:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

That's a cool tattoo. Too bad it has that unfortunate misspelling--"Kahn" instead of Khan.


37 posted on 04/17/2006 10:35:06 AM PDT by smaoinigh
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38 posted on 10/03/2008 3:59:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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