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To: Alouette

I've never watched the show, but maybe I should. Perhaps I'd find out why so many women are leaving their husbands and families. I'm a pastor in a conservative denomination, and there isn't a week that goes by that I don't have to deal with a divorce. 90% of the time it is the woman that wants the divorce.
These are middle class white families, too. Rarely is there any spousal abuse, or mistreatment involved. The husbands are usually good providers and good fathers. If there is unfaithfulness involved, it's usually the wife, not the husband.
I know this isn't a scientific study, just 25 years of my experience as a pastor, but I'm baffled by what I see. Maybe "DH" will give me a clue as to why these women find marriage so unbearable. Sorry for venting my frustrations.


28 posted on 11/21/2004 6:06:07 AM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex
I watched bits and pieces of episodes until they reached the one where Terri Hatcher loses her towel in the front yard. That episode was mildly exciting. I think one of the ladies is very attractive. I'll even admit that some of the plot twists are interesting. However, none of these things have been interesting enough for me to make time to watch this show for several weeks. Personally, I don't think that you'll find that much insight into the problem of women in your congregation leaving their husbands.

If I were you, I'd look to a couple of other problems. The first is that our society no longer seems to hold women accountable for stupid decisions. Women seem to think that unless someone gives them an executive-level job with a personal secretary and a corner office by the time they are 19, they will have such poor self-esteem that they'll just throw themselves at the feet of the nearest stupid man who treats them like dirt. Even if they do get the corner office, they'll claim that they still don't have self-esteem because some men are more interested in them for their appearance than for their corner office. Parents have to start training little girls to realize that they can't go through life turning off their brains and just chasing whatever scum knows how to play games with them.

You seem to be describing women who initially made pretty good choices and then later decided that they wanted to chase the scum. However, I suspect that much of the problem is the same. Too many women want the mystery of what is behind "door #2" and have come to believe that their lives will actually improve when they start chasing that fantasy. We have a society that no longer stigmatizes them for making that foolish and wrong choice.

The other side of the coin is that the average guy has a hard time finding ways to stay interesting. As the world becomes busier and busier, we spend more and more of our time just covering the basics of making a living and keeping up with all the pieces of paper that modern life forces us to chase. As a society, we need to make some reforms to reduce the amount of paper that we all chase. As individuals, men probably need more help in making themselves interesting to partners and prospective partners. Unfortunately, we need to find ways to do this without resorting to things that are completely foolish or superficial.

33 posted on 11/21/2004 7:38:49 AM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Nosterrex; WFTR
Too many women want the mystery of what is behind "door #2"

Sure....men do too. But why is it majority women?
Does "the stigma"...rather, the loss of it, somehow affect women more than men? Why?

men probably need more help in making themselves interesting

That's a thought-provoking idea. I'm sorry if this is too 'off topic'...(I don't watch the show). As you might guess, these issues are rather, ummm, personal, to me. It would be helpful for me to understand this stuff....the why of things, & all that. Thanks, john

34 posted on 11/21/2004 8:04:56 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: Nosterrex

I can only tell you what my husband of 23 years and I have come up with.

The women who want a divorce from clearly good men, simply do not have God in their lives. If they did, then God would be first, their husbands second and children third.

It works wonderfully for us. I never knew people married for so long could be so much in love.


35 posted on 11/21/2004 9:07:11 AM PST by It's me
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To: Nosterrex

Pastor: I'm sure that you are aware that the major competition to the early Christian Church were the orgiastic sects with a female priesthood. The Christian fathers believed that womanhood was on the one hand the most faithful of the Christian followers, and on the other its most dangerous antagonists. This dichotomy was also understood by Muhammad, and accounts for the strict rules governing female participation in Islam.

What you are confronted with is a society having too much time on its hands, too few interests, and one bombarded by sexuality and sexual images. If you were a Roman you would be living in a post-Republican epoch (say about the time of Christ) when the glue holding the traditional institutions, including the family, was melting away. Rome could not survive the culture clash; today's Christians must.


37 posted on 11/21/2004 10:07:06 AM PST by gaspar
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