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Speculation Continues Over Ohio Elections Results
WCPO.com ^ | November 20, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 11/20/2004 11:23:05 AM PST by Bonaventure

Groups checking election results in Ohio are asking county elections boards for all kinds of documents -- everything from provisional ballot totals to voter signature poll books.

Elections officials say such requests from political and advocacy groups, media outlets and other organizations are straining their staffs and budgets as they try to finish the official ballot count for the presidential election.

Ross County elections director Nancy Bell says she's never experienced anything like this in her 19 years at the elections board.

Bev Harris is founder of Black Box Voting, a Seattle-based nonprofit consumer protection organization.

She says her group has filed records requests for every Ohio county to check the accuracy of the the final vote report sent to the secretary of state.

Meanwhile, lawyers who have been documenting voting day problems in Ohio say they'll challenge the results of the presidential election as soon as the vote is official.

The lawyers say documented cases of long lines, a shortage of machines and a pattern of problems in predominantly black neighborhoods are enough evidence to bring such a challenge.

The lawyers, who will represent voters who cast ballots November 2, will use a state law that allows them to file a request to challenge the election with the Ohio Supreme Court.

The law allows the challenge to be heard by the chief justice of the Ohio Supreme Court.

In the case of Ohio, that's Justice Thomas Moyer, a Columbus Republican.

The official vote will not be certified until early next month.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: challenge; ohio; recount; vote
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So, it's not just a recount. They're planning to contest the results regardless. Ridiculous.
1 posted on 11/20/2004 11:23:05 AM PST by Bonaventure
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To: Bonaventure; neverdem; Congressman Billybob
Bev Harris, eh?

"Black Box" is "what" kind of "consumer advocacy" group?

Funded by WHO?

She's just fishing, trolling for distractions so SHE (the democrats) can continue to discredit Bush.

She HAS NO evidence, nothing to substantiate ANY (real) charges, but is desperate to find enough "false votes" to give the election to Kerry.
2 posted on 11/20/2004 11:30:05 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Bonaventure

Their intention is to muddy the win.


3 posted on 11/20/2004 11:30:37 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Bev Harris is a DUmmy who trolls DUmmyland daily for money.


4 posted on 11/20/2004 11:31:16 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

"Meantime, Black Box Voting Inc., a non-profit consumer advocacy group begun by investigative reporter Bev Harris, already has launched a massive effort to get copies of all internal logs for e-vote machines used Tuesday. The group began immediately blanketing U.S. counties and townships with 3,000 Freedom of Information requests. The group says on its Web site that a similar request filed in the Seattle area in September unearthed an internal audit log with three hours' worth of deleted results and suspicious modem activity on election night."

That from

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1022484,00.html


5 posted on 11/20/2004 11:33:17 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Bonaventure

Sounds to me like they trying to steal this under the radar. We'll wake up early in December to the news "Ohio has been overturned!!" Or, at least, that's what the DUmmies and their fellow traitors are praying to Satan for.


6 posted on 11/20/2004 11:33:54 AM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: Bonaventure

I doubt it. This is smoke for kerry and the dems to be able to say the election was "stolen"..........the real meat of the issue would be voter (votER) fraud, which the dems were shameless about during early and even election-day voting. Dems will never look into VOTER fraud......all they will ever do is yelp for talking points.


7 posted on 11/20/2004 11:35:14 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Democrat Rules of Engagement: It's the seriousness of the charge that matters, regardless of facts. Sheesh, that's how the Democrats stay in business!


8 posted on 11/20/2004 11:37:45 AM PST by shezza (Set beber to "decode" for incoming secret message.)
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To: finnman69

Tell me if I am wrong, but didn't John Kerry concede the election a long time ago in a phone call to President Bush and then again on National Television? Didn't George W. Bush declare victory? Hasn't he started working to prepare for his second term? Didn't he win big time by popular vote and the electoral college? What the heck do these nitwits hope to gain? Give me a break! They should have to pay Ohio to do all of this out of that $15 million that Kerry did not spend on the campaign!


9 posted on 11/20/2004 11:37:45 AM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: Bonaventure

http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=5361

They’ve apparently counted about 137,000 provisional and absentee ballots in Ohio.

And the breakdown?

Bush = 56%
Kerry = 43.5%

I say there should be a recount. I mean, seriously, how could Bush have won? Nobody I know voted for him . . .

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/Results/RaceSummary.aspx


10 posted on 11/20/2004 11:38:40 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Bonaventure

The election is over. They need to get over it and move along. If they think they can do better in 08 then ....

BRING IT ON...


11 posted on 11/20/2004 11:40:43 AM PST by tomnbeverly (Its time to spend some political capital... Ouch that has to hurt liberals.)
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To: Bonaventure
The lawyers say documented cases of long lines, a shortage of machines and a pattern of problems

My wife and I stood in line in Harris County, Texas for over 3 hours to vote in 1980. Who do I sue .......

Time for them to GET OVER IT!

12 posted on 11/20/2004 11:41:59 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (May God Bless the President)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

this is the website of the people who are doing this

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

Greens and Libertarians are involved.....


13 posted on 11/20/2004 11:44:35 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Bonaventure

I heard that Ralph Nader and the Libertarians are also challenging the Ohio results.

The best they can get out of this is a smudge on the election. But, in the meantime, they succeed at bringing down morale in this country and weakening our image in the world.

We must share in the unfailing positivity of our leader. And. . . we have lawyers, too.


14 posted on 11/20/2004 11:46:03 AM PST by KiloLima (www.opgratitude.com = Give, you will feel better.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

One VERY BAD fallout of Dem rants of voter fraud committed by Rupublicans, even though fiction, is: They themselves feel justified to commit, and set out to commit, even more real voter fraud for their candidates.


15 posted on 11/20/2004 11:47:54 AM PST by C210N
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To: Bonaventure
Unless these people are absolutely insane, they know they can't win in Ohio.

However, they are on a fishing expedition for information that they can twist to say "George w bush really wasn't elected president in 2004". It doesn't matter if it's true, it just need to be something they can latch onto.

Then they can spend the next four years saying George w bush is an illegitimate president, while at the same time they drift further and further into irrelevancy.

I say let them. Their paranoia and rantings lead to GWB getting the most votes of any presidential candidate EVER. The next four years of the same will lead to a republican win in 2006 and 2008.
16 posted on 11/20/2004 11:48:05 AM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

This is from GuideStar. They are a new group so there is very little history.

BLACK BOX VOTING
330 SW 43RD ST PMB-K547
% LINDA FRANZ
RENTON , WA 98055




Program / Activities
NTEE Codes
R40 Voter Education/Registration



Financial Information
This organization files an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ.
Ruling Year: 2004


17 posted on 11/20/2004 11:48:39 AM PST by bunky
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To: finnman69

D'oh...I jsut gave that Polipundit thing its own thread.....


18 posted on 11/20/2004 11:49:37 AM PST by irish guard
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To: finnman69

Ohio has counted 137,000 provisional and absentee ballots. Rather, it has assembled 137,000 votes from the few counties that have already counted provisional and absentee ballots. As you will see, the numbers on the site represent only 2.7% of statewide results.


19 posted on 11/20/2004 11:51:56 AM PST by Bonaventure
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To: Goodgirlinred
Tell me if I am wrong, but didn't John Kerry concede the election a long time ago in a phone call to President Bush and then again on National Television? Didn't George W. Bush declare victory? Hasn't he started working to prepare for his second term? Didn't he win big time by popular vote and the electoral college? What the heck do these nitwits hope to gain? Give me a break! They should have to pay Ohio to do all of this out of that $15 million that Kerry did not spend on the campaign!

The electors have not yet cast their votes, and Kerry's consession is NOT binding in any way.

Mark

20 posted on 11/20/2004 11:53:29 AM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
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