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To: JasonC

Globalism = Communism

"Do not imagine, gentlemen, that in criticizing freedom of trade we have the least intention of defending the system of protection."

. "One may declare oneself an enemy of the constitutional regime without declaring oneself a friend of the ancient regime."

. "Moreover, the protectionist system is nothing but a means of establishing large-scale industry in any given country, that is to say, of making it dependent upon the world market, and from the moment that dependence upon the world market is established, there is already more or less dependence upon free trade. Besides this, the protective system helps to develop free competition within a country. Hence we see that in countries where the bourgeoisie is beginning to make itself felt as a class, in Germany for example, it makes great efforts to obtain protective duties. They serve the bourgeoisie as weapons against feudalism and absolute government, as a means for the concentration of its own powers and for the realization of free trade within the same country."

. "But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade." : Karl Marx


6 posted on 11/20/2004 10:11:23 AM PST by nanak
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To: nanak

So, you agree with Marx?


8 posted on 11/20/2004 10:13:41 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: nanak
Just because Marx was for free trade, it does not make it wrong. He also slept and ate: this does not make sleeping or food bad for us. Simply illogical.

Marx was for free trade for wrong reasons.

31 posted on 11/20/2004 11:41:11 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: nanak

So, your another that quotes Marx without internalizing the whole speech in which that quote came from. Go read the whole speech and then comment...that is of course if you have the capacity to understand capital flows and capital controls.


78 posted on 11/20/2004 4:29:57 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (Willie Green after a chemical attack would make an excellent selective unmasking candidate.)
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To: nanak; JasonC
Globalism = Communism

That is incorrect. Furthermore, I would say that you can't reduce any economic discussion to anything so simplistic. You can't say Globalism = good or Globalism = bad. It's not a black and white situation
110 posted on 11/21/2004 10:40:35 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: nanak
Globalism = Communism

This explains why the communists in fact hate globalization on the grounds that it promotes market capitalism, private property rights, liberty, and basically western hegemony. You're a bright one Nanak, what's the wattage of the bulb you're using?

113 posted on 11/22/2004 5:20:06 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Willie Green after a chemical attack would make an excellent selective unmasking candidate.)
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To: nanak
It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade." : Karl Marx

You can progress logically from a fallacious premise. Garbage in, garbage out (or, as COBOL programmers used to say in ancient Rome, purgamentum init, exit purgamentum).

In other words, Marx celebrated free trade for a wrong reason. This does not make free trade wrong. It's pretty amazing, actually, that a computer scientist can commit such an error.

Let A = "free trade is good;" B = "free trade hastens the fall of capitalism." Marx accepted as true the implication C = B -> A.

You make the following implication: C -> not A. You know perfectly well that this is ridculous: just draw a few Venn diagrams of truth tables.

You also can notice that even the modern extreme leftists know that Marx was incorrect: they know that free trade STRENGHTNES capitalism --- i.e., B is false --- and are on the forefront of resistance to what they call globalization.

129 posted on 11/22/2004 1:34:32 PM PST by TopQuark
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