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WAR CRIMES?
Townhall.com ^ | November 19, 2004 | Oliver North

Posted on 11/19/2004 7:33:46 AM PST by PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower

November 19, 2004 WASHINGTON, D.C. -- By now, almost everyone in the world with a television has seen the videotape that appears to show a U.S. Marine shooting a wounded Iraqi terrorist inside a mosque in Fallujah. For the record, here are the facts, because facts -- not rumors or emotions -- really are important. Here is what those who were there told me:

On Friday, Nov. 12, U.S. Marines were fired upon by terrorists armed with AK-47s, RPD machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades from a mosque and an adjacent building. The Marines returned fire, first with M-16s and 240G machine guns, and then, as they continued to take fire and casualties, they escalated to an MK-19, a 40mm grenade launcher and then an AT-4 missile.

When none of these weapons successfully eliminated enemy fire, the platoon commander called for and received permission to open fire with the main gun of an M-1 Abrams tank and then storm the buildings. In the ensuing assault, 10 terrorists were killed and five others were wounded, as the Marines went room-to-room clearing the buildings. Immediately afterward, two correspondents accompanying coalition forces were shown a large quantity of AK-47s, machine guns, mortar rounds, explosives, RPGs and hand grenades that had been stored in the mosque.

While the print and broadcast cameramen were photographing the evidence of a war crime -- weapons being stored in a place of worship -- the Marine unit received an order over the radio to advance and secure another building. As the bone-tired troops departed for their next objective, one of the correspondents asked what would become of the wounded terrorists. A Marine sergeant replied that another unit was to move up and evacuate the injured enemy to the rear for treatment and detention.

The following morning -- Saturday -- another platoon of Marines from a different company was attacked from the mosque. A second gunfight ensued, and once again, a squad of Marines assaulted the structure. They were accompanied by NBC correspondent Kevin Sites and his cameraman, taping for the "pool" -- meaning that whatever tape he filed would be available to all the networks accredited to cover Operation New Dawn.

According to the videotape and the report filed after the action, as the Marines burst into one of the rooms inside the mosque, they found four terrorists -- one dead and three wounded. In the video that has now been seen around the world, one of the battle-weary Marines points his weapon at one of the enemy combatants lying against the wall and shouts, "He's (expletive) faking he's dead. He's faking he's (expletive) dead." An instant later, the Marine raises his rifle and fires into the insurgent's head. Immediately thereafter, another Marine can be heard saying, "Well, he's dead now."

For American broadcasts, the actual shot is "blacked out." But when the tape airs on Al Jazeera, Al Arabiya, Lebanon TV and other Arab media outlets, nothing is left to the imagination. Unfortunately, neither version is accurate -- though both are very troubling. Like so much of what's on television today, only the goriest, most sensational portion of the tape has aired. As a consequence, "the rest of the story" -- as my friend Paul Harvey puts it -- has been lost in the clamor created by 15 seconds of videotape.

Only a few have seen the footage shot the day before -- providing irrefutable evidence that the mosque was a well-defended arms depot. And fewer still have viewed the very next sequence after "the shooting," which shows two Marines pointing their weapons at another combatant lying motionless. Suddenly, one of the Marines jumps back as the terrorist stretches out his hand, motioning that he is alive. Neither Marine opens fire.

According to the Marines, a Navy medical corpsman was then summoned to treat the two wounded prisoners. In his original written report, Sites, the correspondent who videotaped the shooting, doesn't mention the medical treatment provided to the injured enemy combatants, but he does note that four of the combatants were some of those who had been left behind from the firefight on Friday. If the NBC reporter knew that from being there the day before, why didn't he tell this new group of Marines before they rushed into the room?

None of that is included in the tape, which is now being used to raise Islamic ire at the "American invader." Why? And why did it take more than a day to learn that the Marine seen shooting on the videotape had been wounded in the face the day before if the correspondent knew that when he filed the videotape? Why didn't the original story include the fact that a Marine in the same unit had been killed 24 hours earlier while searching the booby-trapped dead body of a terrorist?

Within hours of the videotaped incident in the mosque, another Marine was killed and five others wounded by a booby-trapped body they found in a house after a gunfight. Why was this not made part of the original story? Even Amnesty International, no friend to the American armed forces, has reported that the Iraqi terrorists have illegally used white flags to lure coalition forces into ambushes. Yet this, too, is absent in the original story.

Though the Arab media doesn't mention it, the incident is being fully investigated -- even as combat operations continue. If a court martial is convened, the young Marine in the videotape will have a chance to defend his actions. Meanwhile, Arab broadcasts outside Iraq that won't even mention the murder of relief worker Margaret Hassan will replay the "shooting video" for weeks to come as an incitement to join the Jihad.

In the rush to air sensational footage, the "pool" system failed us all. Worse yet, it failed the young soldiers and Marines and their brave Iraqi allies who are fighting to liberate Fallujah from the terrorists' bloody grip. Even though the "shooting video" lacked context and failed to tell the full story -- it became the big story. If it becomes the story of Fallujah, that would be a crime.


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujahmarine; marine; olivernorth; shooting; terrorist
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"Only a few have seen the footage shot the day before -- providing irrefutable evidence that the mosque was a well-defended arms depot. And fewer still have viewed the very next sequence after "the shooting," which shows two Marines pointing their weapons at another combatant lying motionless. Suddenly, one of the Marines jumps back as the terrorist stretches out his hand, motioning that he is alive. Neither Marine opens fire."

I guess those marines got his strict attention!

1 posted on 11/19/2004 7:33:47 AM PST by PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower
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To: PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower

http://www.petitiononline.com/as123/petition.html


2 posted on 11/19/2004 7:34:31 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

Thank you...Everyone should sign!


3 posted on 11/19/2004 7:37:36 AM PST by PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower
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To: PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower

How much have you heard from the MSM about the woman that was shot in the head by the terrorist.


4 posted on 11/19/2004 7:38:41 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, AIr Force, Pray for all our military in hostile territory.)
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To: Piquaboy

Exactly...They're too busy bashing our boys, which is the REAL crime.


5 posted on 11/19/2004 7:40:49 AM PST by PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower
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To: PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower

The media will only be satisfied when they convince the USA citizens that the war is hopeless and we pull out with the job unfinished.


6 posted on 11/19/2004 7:41:17 AM PST by listenhillary (We are defending the peace by taking the fight to the enemy.GWB)
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To: PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! DID WE INVESTIGATE OR DO AUTOPSIES FOR S.S. OFFICERS WHO WERE SHOT-ON-SIGHT AFTER WWII FIGHTING ENDED? THESE ELDERLY-WOMAN-BEHEADING VERMIN ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THAT.

PLEASE CALL THE PRESIDENT AND YOUR REPRESENTATIVES AND TELL THEM TO STOP THE "INVESTIGATION" ON BEHALF OF OUR ENEMIES, AND CLEAR THIS MARINE'S NAME.

WHITE HOUSE: 202-456-1111, 202-456-1414
FIND YOUR REPRESENATIVE HERE
SIGN THE PETITION HERE

7 posted on 11/19/2004 7:41:58 AM PST by montag813
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker; Poohbah

I guess by some accounts by some people North is a coward.

Oliver North is a Great American and I admire him for telling the whole story!


8 posted on 11/19/2004 7:43:57 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Kevin Sites is a terrorist.)
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To: PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower

I think Oliver North is po'd.


9 posted on 11/19/2004 7:45:14 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: Laura Earl; King Prout

Ping. North agrees with my assessment of Kevin Sites and the embeds.


10 posted on 11/19/2004 7:45:35 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Kevin Sites is a terrorist.)
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To: PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower

This incident illustrates why American GIs should not be tried by international courts. They can't get a fair trial even in the US media, much less international courts.


11 posted on 11/19/2004 7:45:57 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower

Rodney King II: Show a videotape that is carefully edited to exclude all context over and over until you succeeed in causing riots and mayhem.


12 posted on 11/19/2004 7:46:29 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower
From David Horowitz's blog at www.frontpagemag.com (WARNING: Strong Language):

Security Rounds

We're gonna see more on this issue in the near future. Most folks who've served in combat are taking a much more objective view of how things are changing w/re to the Law of Land Warfare than those who have not.

The shots fired at the "unarmed" terrorist in that mosque in Fallujah are called "security rounds." Its a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering them a hot cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to dick around in the target, you clear the space, dump the chumps, and moveon.org. Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists?

Negative. Hey libs, worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and abuse for a Corpsman to spend one man minute or a battle dressing on a terrorist, its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.

By the way, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not prisoners, they are carcasses.

UPDATE: Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the web, and many people get this concept, but there are some stragglers. Here is your situation Marine. You just took fire from unlawful combatants shooting from a religious building attempting to use the sanctuary status of their position as protection. But you're in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s (Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down. So you run over there, and find some tangos wounded and pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really popular with these kind of idiots, and like taking some Marines with them would be really cool. So you can either risk your life and your fireteam's lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you think is pretending to be dead for some reason.

Also, you don't know who or what is in the next room, and you're already speaking English to each other and its loud because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile (3 seconds later), you still have this terrorist that was just shooting at you from a mosque playing possum. What do you do?

You double tap his head, and you go to the next room, that's what.

What about the Geneva Conventions and all that Law of Land Warfare stuff? What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand you first thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6." Bear in mind that this is a perpetual mindset that in reinforced by experience on a minute by minute basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawful combatant in a Sanctuary which is a double No No on his part. Third, tactically you are in no position to take "prisoners" because there are more rooms to search and clear, and the behavior of said terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no good and the high end of no good are fundamentally the same... Marines get hurt or die. So there is no compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this idiot and get on with the mission.

If you are a veteran then everything I have just written is self evident, if you are not a veteran than at least try to put yourself in the situation. Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow, there is only now. Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a week? It is not easy, and if you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your hole about putting Marines in jail for war crimes. Be advised, I am not talking to my readers, but if this post gets linked up, I want regular folks to get this message loud and clear.

13 posted on 11/19/2004 7:49:29 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: All
IMAGESAGAINSTWAR.COM

561 "artists" listed

Go to "S"

Scroll down and you will find a link for "Kevin Sites" and "Kevin Sites2"

Kevin Sites is the "pool" photographer who filmed the mosque incident.

As usual with these people, they disguise who they really are and what their REAL agenda is!!

In this case, at the expense of one of our brave young Marines....................note to Kevin: it ain't going to happen, man!!

14 posted on 11/19/2004 7:53:55 AM PST by soozla (HELL, YEAH!!)
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To: Rummyfan

"There's no time to dick around in the target, you clear the space, dump the chumps, and moveon.org"

"By the way, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not prisoners, they are carcasses."

PRICELESS!!


"Be advised, I am not talking to my readers, but if this post gets linked up, I want regular folks to get this message loud and clear."

Don't worry, buddy.....IT IS!


15 posted on 11/19/2004 7:56:33 AM PST by PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower
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To: prognostigaator

I don't blame him. So am I.


16 posted on 11/19/2004 7:57:50 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Kevin Sites is a terrorist.)
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To: Brilliant

Bingo.


17 posted on 11/19/2004 7:58:37 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Kevin Sites is a terrorist.)
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To: Rummyfan

"If you are a veteran then everything I have just written is self evident, if you are not a veteran than at least try to put yourself in the situation. Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow, there is only now. Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a week? It is not easy, and if you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your hole about putting Marines in jail for war crimes."

Well put.


18 posted on 11/19/2004 7:58:53 AM PST by PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower
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To: Rummyfan

Well said and ditto. This is not freedom of the press it is a measured assault on the US Military by the MSM. Anyone who calls it newsworthy is either a liar or a fool.


19 posted on 11/19/2004 8:01:17 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Kevin Sites is a terrorist.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
In the rush to air sensational footage, the "pool" system failed us all. Worse yet, it failed the young soldiers and Marines and their brave Iraqi allies who are fighting to liberate Fallujah from the terrorists' bloody grip.

Thanks for the ping, CG. The malcontents amongs us will spin this to try and shore up their friends in the MSM.

20 posted on 11/19/2004 8:03:02 AM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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