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Are Plans in Place if Schools Attacked?
The Birmingham News ^ | 7 Nov 2004 | LT COL Joseph C. Myers

Posted on 11/18/2004 3:52:21 PM PST by MaximusRules

It's about 8:42 in the morning, and you have just sat down at your desk with a cup of hot coffee. As the sheriff of this small rural community, you are reviewing the overnight reports from your graveyard shift deputies. It was, as usual, a relatively uneventful night.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beslan; ltcjosephcmyers; school; terrorism

1 posted on 11/18/2004 3:52:26 PM PST by MaximusRules
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To: MaximusRules

I smell something......


2 posted on 11/18/2004 3:54:24 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: MaximusRules
Some plans. The MSM, which has invited terrorists to murder and behead Americans
is PREPARED to blame President Bush any such atrocity.
3 posted on 11/18/2004 3:54:32 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Then I say unto you, send men to summon ... worms. And let us go to Fallujah to collect heads.")
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To: MaximusRules
Are Plans in Place if Schools Attacked?

Start a Boy Scout Troop?

/sarcasm

4 posted on 11/18/2004 3:56:32 PM PST by maestro
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To: MaximusRules
The answer to this essay is 'No, there is no plan', and there won't be one either.

We could arm teachers, but they'd complain that they're not paid to be law-enforcement officers. The same folks who were against arming airline pilots would reappear to oppose arming teachers. Michael Moore would have his next screenplay for a sequel to 'Bowling for Columbine' cooling off in his HP Deskjet's output tray before the news media even got cameras on the scene.

The 1994 Crime Bill's "3000' Gun-Free Zones Around Our Nation's Schools ' policy would be another reminder of the pre-9/11 mindset.

Nope, there's no plan to produce a countermeasure to this scenario.

5 posted on 11/18/2004 3:58:35 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: MaximusRules
What do you do?

Outlaw hooded men or try homeschooling.

6 posted on 11/18/2004 4:01:41 PM PST by Taxbilly
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To: MaximusRules

There are no plans other than to try to negotiate with the terrorists, pre-911 style and to pick up the body parts after it is done.


7 posted on 11/18/2004 4:04:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Diogenesis

Yeah and wait until they get into the schools and find survey information like this.

http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/DIT/forms/fs57.pdf

Sorry for bringing this up but the school has no need for this info and yet parents fill it out and I'm concerned about it.


8 posted on 11/18/2004 4:14:11 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: MaximusRules

Kerry has the plans.


9 posted on 11/18/2004 4:21:37 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
There are no plans other than to try to negotiate with the terrorists, pre-911 style and to pick up the body parts after it is done.

Wrong. It's called by various names, including "Rapid Response to Active Shooters," but LE has been training and planning with it nationwide since Columbine.

It's working. One reason we've had less workplace violence in the news is because the cops are responding and dispatching the bad guys to the land of 72 virgins before they can do too much harm. If a guy walks into an office building and kills his boss before the cops wack him, it's not national news.

10 posted on 11/18/2004 4:23:34 PM PST by Gerasimov (John Kerry just got his SECOND dishonorable discharge.)
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To: MaximusRules

Gee I dunno. It seems the schools are too busy expelling students for trying on earrings and other such "zero tolerance" nonsense to worry about real terrorists with real weapons invading a school:

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=2579621


11 posted on 11/18/2004 4:24:33 PM PST by ladylib ("Marc Tucker Letter to Hillary Clinton" says it all.)
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To: MaximusRules

Don't laugh. The scenario in the story is a good candidate for a terrorist attack. It would afford all the drama and high public exposure that they could want.

Now let's see... where are those 26 or so suspected al Qaeda members that supposedly entered the USA via Mexico?


12 posted on 11/18/2004 4:28:59 PM PST by Outland (Human Induced Gobal Warming: The largest socialist scam in history.)
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To: MaximusRules

Our plan is to not get attacked in the first place, I hope.


13 posted on 11/18/2004 4:29:06 PM PST by lmr (John Kerry, Favorite of World Leaders: Castro, Arafat, Kim Jong IL,Chavez and Bin Laden)
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To: MaximusRules

One plan for all schools....Nuke Mecca.


14 posted on 11/18/2004 4:29:08 PM PST by Shqipo (Can't someone clone David Lean so I could go see a decent freaking movie?)
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To: Gerasimov
One reason we've had less workplace violence in the news is because the cops are responding and dispatching the bad guys to the land of 72 virgins before they can do too much harm.

Sorry to be picky, but that wasn't the scenario.

If a guy walks into an office building and kills his boss before the cops wack him, it's not national news.

Are you in the news business?

15 posted on 11/18/2004 4:29:14 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Shqipo

Yes, The best defense is a good offense. Take the fight to the enemy.


16 posted on 11/18/2004 4:30:58 PM PST by lmr (John Kerry, Favorite of World Leaders: Castro, Arafat, Kim Jong IL,Chavez and Bin Laden)
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To: papertyger
Sorry to be picky, but that wasn't the scenario.

I just used that scenario because I know several office rampages have been stopped by an active response from the cops. The mechanics are all still the same. Actively engage the terrorists. Their planning, whether it's the office guy, or Issac Islam, counts on the Columbine siege mentality... anything else throws them off.

Are you in the news business?

No, I'm a good American, not a leftist traitor.

17 posted on 11/18/2004 4:39:34 PM PST by Gerasimov (John Kerry just got his SECOND dishonorable discharge.)
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To: Gerasimov
Are you in the news business?

No, I'm a good American, not a leftist traitor.

Well I hate to tell you this, but stand-offs ARE national news. Perhaps not the network mini docu-dramas like Abu Grahib, or Mattew Shepard (depending on what else is in the news cycle), but of national interest none the less. Can you site any situations where the response you describe made local, but not national?

Be that as it may, your "lone gunman" answer doesn't really address the "Beslan-like" question... Are you really claiming the current response doctrines call for assaulting a school full of children wired to jellied gasoline covered by a dozen or more terrorists?

18 posted on 11/18/2004 5:05:25 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
The siege mentality allows the terrorists the time to set up their bombs, etc. Immediately assaulting the threat results in less dead innocent people, and lots of dead badguys. Unfortunately there are also more dead cops, but I bet that to a man the cops would rather risk dying themselves than letting a kid get hurt.

There was an office attack in Illinois somewhere in 2002 that the police actively responded to and sent the bad guy to his judgment, and it was hardly a blip on the news screen. Stand off's are national news, you are correct; but the point is to make sure there isn't a stand off.
19 posted on 11/18/2004 5:11:44 PM PST by Gerasimov (John Kerry just got his SECOND dishonorable discharge.)
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To: Gerasimov
the point is to make sure there isn't a stand off.

I understand and agree with your reasoning: at least for the "lone gunman." I just don't think pre-empting a planned, multi-threat, multi-layered, actively defended, assault like Beslan is credible. As such, it's not really a credible response.

20 posted on 11/18/2004 5:29:43 PM PST by papertyger
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