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Evolution's Big Bang (Cambrian Explosion & Darwin)
Probe.org ^ | Dr. Ray Bohlin

Posted on 11/18/2004 12:13:11 PM PST by Conservomax

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I just finished reading "rare Earth" and was doing some further reading on the Cambrian Explosion.

I found this article and I thought it might make for an interesting FR thread.

As poster I have no real opinion on the article. It is somewhat interesting to see the Cambrian through the eyes of this author.

1 posted on 11/18/2004 12:13:11 PM PST by Conservomax
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To: Conservomax
Genesis Chapter 1: 20": And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. "21": And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. "22": And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. "23": And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. BANG!....
2 posted on 11/18/2004 12:15:58 PM PST by Red Badger (Give someone enough EU-ROPE and they will hang themselves......out of pure frustration......)
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To: Conservomax

Good read. Thanks.


4 posted on 11/18/2004 12:22:04 PM PST by microgood
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To: Conservomax
...the intricate complexity of living things.

Science keeps being surprised by the complexity of man. Two weeks ago on ScienceDaily.com, they reported the discovery of a unique protein that enables hearing. Science has a long way to go before even getting a rudimentary understanding of life's complexities.

5 posted on 11/18/2004 12:22:11 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Conservomax

I majored in Geology at the University of New Orleans (known affectionately to locals as 13th grade)

I had a fantastic Historical Geology professor who used to talk about the Cambrian explosion all the time as the weakest link in the whole theory of evolution as the origin of life on earth. He believed in it, was confident the answers would come in time, and he knew I was a creationist. We had great, friendly discussions about the whole thing.

I am pleased to see this type of article being published to welcome reception. There's far too much hard-headed, vicious antagonism on both sides of the debate.

Believing you're right doesn't mean you have to be a jerk, ya know?


6 posted on 11/18/2004 12:22:16 PM PST by osboy (Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: Conservomax
tl; dr

There's little point in speculating about how long the Cambrian explosion "should have" taken. All we know are the morphologies of the creatures. We don't know much about their genetic distance from each other. It doesn't take many mutations to effect huge morphological differences.

7 posted on 11/18/2004 12:24:07 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Conservomax
But a recent issue of Time magazine (4 December 1995)...

This is obsolete stuff. Preambrian fossils are being found. There's the problem that most of the precambrian rocks have been melted, squeezed or otherwised deformed, but stuff is being found, and it does not support this article.

8 posted on 11/18/2004 12:26:02 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: Conservomax

Look, Capt. Kirk, they've discovered traces of the genesis effect.
9 posted on 11/18/2004 12:26:22 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Welcome to Free Republic. It is indeed addictive. It must be challenging being a Christian college student these days. It may be somewhat like living in Oregon, one of the bluest blue states, home of more wacky alternative religions than you can shake a stick at.

God Bless.


10 posted on 11/18/2004 12:26:38 PM PST by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: osboy; Conservomax; blam; SunkenCiv
I tend to stay out of the Creation , Evolution debates but I did post this:

In Evolutionary Race, Humans Went the Extra Mile, Study Says

And I find the book 100 Billion Suns absolutely fascinating!!!

11 posted on 11/18/2004 12:26:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Conservomax

" The major evolutionary innovations represented in the Cambrian would ordinarily require at least tens of millions of years to accomplish. Some might even suggest over 100 million years would be required"


My favorite argumentative tidbit in the discussion is the simple fact that there isn't enough time in the fossil record for the complexity and diversity in existence for it to have happened gradually and according to the mechanisms described by reigning theory.

For each and every single change that is beneficial to spring up, take hold in a population, and then resist additional changes that spring up and take hold, and then compound to form advantageous systems and forms.. it's just not possible in the time frame given.

Just for something like "organs" or "skin" or "vascular system" or "stomach acid" to evolve into a usable form from gradualism , one tiny mutation at a time, would take more time than you could possibly account for. Genetics doesn't work like that, except in comic books and movies. One little mutation can do something like suppress a protein, or make a fruit fly's legs come out of his antenna sockets, but it doesn't give rise to complex, completely non-existent beneficial structures.


12 posted on 11/18/2004 12:29:29 PM PST by osboy (Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: osboy
Cambrian explosion all the time as the weakest link in the whole theory of evolution as the origin of life on earth.

Evolution is not a theory about the origin of life on earth. It's a theory about the origin of species on earth. The two are not the same thing.

13 posted on 11/18/2004 12:29:39 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Conservomax

Where's that picture of the 50's dude with the caption "Not this sh!t again"?


14 posted on 11/18/2004 12:32:02 PM PST by narby
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To: aimhigh
Science has a long way to go before even getting a rudimentary understanding of life's complexities.

Science has a long way to go before even getting a rudimentary understanding of GOD'S complexities.....

15 posted on 11/18/2004 12:32:15 PM PST by Red Badger (Give someone enough EU-ROPE and they will hang themselves......out of pure frustration......)
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To: osboy

"It doesn't take many mutations to effect huge morphological differences"

That's inferred, because the only way it can be studied apart from in the fossil record is in a lab, and even then, things can be rearranged or taken out, but not introduced from nothing.

i.e you can make a rat without a stomach, let's say, but you can't put vertebra in a worm.


16 posted on 11/18/2004 12:32:52 PM PST by osboy (Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"I tend to stay out of the Creation , Evolution debates . . ."

But you're not without that sick sense of humor that follows from posting an article to get the debate going and then sitting back to watch as the two sides tear each other apart.

LOL!
17 posted on 11/18/2004 12:36:04 PM PST by StJacques
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To: StJacques

......

(:^)


18 posted on 11/18/2004 12:38:58 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: js1138
Aren't the PreCambrian Animal (eukaryote vs precaryate ?sp?) Fossils trace fossils: IE: They are fossils left by animal activity (worm burrowing) instead of the actual worm themselves?

The Cambrian explosion still puzzles biologists to this day. They have yet to fully explain what caused the huge increase in diversification.

One scientific explanation is the level of oxygen in the atmosphere rose to a very high level, giving animals that can utilize it an advantage, another explanation is the evolution of predation which would have made animals adapt to the threats posed.

Evolution does not mean advancements in complexity, it means adaptation to certain environmental stimuli, complexity is a byproduct.
19 posted on 11/18/2004 12:39:28 PM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Strategerist
Evolution is not a theory about the origin of life on earth.

Well it's collection of biological theories. Some of which are obvious and some are very very contentious. It's like like Solomon's proverbs.

20 posted on 11/18/2004 12:40:23 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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