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Blasphemy law revival upsets the Dutch elite
Telegraph ^ | 11/18/04 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 11/18/2004 11:20:52 AM PST by Pikamax

Blasphemy law revival upsets the Dutch elite By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels (Filed: 18/11/2004)

A proposal to revive a blasphemy law to calm sectarian tensions in Holland has outraged artists, writers and the political elite.

The plan follows the murder of film-maker Theo van Gogh by a Dutch-Moroccan extremist in Amsterdam two weeks ago.

The killing was followed by bomb attacks on mosques and reprisal attacks on churches.

In response, the Dutch justice minister, Piet Hein Donner, has proposed enforcing a 1932 law banning "scornful blasphemy".

The minister told the Dutch parliament on Tuesday that the law was needed to curb "hateful comments", whether oral or written, that were destabilising the country.

"If the opinions have a potentially damaging effect on society, the government must act," he said. "It is not about religion specifically, but any harmful comments in general."

Mr Donner, a Christian-Democrat, said strict enforcement was needed to stop "explosive material" setting off yet more violence.

His announcement horrified Holland's free-thinking intelligentsia, mostly congregated in the university enclaves of Amsterdam, Delft, Utrecht and The Hague.

A group of writers and artists published a letter in the Volkskrant newspaper condemning the idea as an assault on free speech and asking whether they would be hauled before an inquisition for poking fun at religion.

The blasphemy law was introduced by Mr Donner's grandfather, Jan Donner, Holland's Right-wing justice minister in the 1930s, to silence a communist newspaper, which had suggested banning Christmas.

The law has not been invoked since 1968 when a Dutch novelist, Gerard Kornells van het Reve, was prosecuted for depicting God as a randy donkey. He was acquitted by Holland's top court on the grounds that his intent was not "scornful".

Blasphemy, which carries a three-month prison sentence, covers insults against God but is ambiguous about saints and religious figures.

It was unclear whether Theo van Gogh would have fallen foul of the law. An inflammatory provocateur, he relished denigrating Islam, Judaism and Christianity in equal measure as forms of barbarous superstition.

He called Muslims "pimps of the Prophet", while accusing Jews of milking the Holocaust for sympathy, for which he faced a defamation suit.

It is also unclear whether Mr van Gogh would have been allowed to broadcast his film Submission, which dealt with Islam's treatment of women and apparently provoked his murder.

Rita Verdonk, the hard-line immigration minister, said invoking the blasphemy law smacked of cultural surrender to Islamic extremists. It would impose Muslim standards of acceptable free speech, she said, and asked why misogynist and homophobic comments by Islamic clerics were not to be treated in the same way.

Laetitia Griffith, an MP for the VVD liberals, said the justice minister was exploiting Mr van Gogh's murder to impose his bible-belt values on the country.

The Dutch parliament is expected to vote next Tuesday on a counter-proposal by the Left-wing D-66 party to expunge the blasphemy law from the criminal code.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blasphemy; dhimmitude; eurabia; holland; intolerance; islam; jihadineurope; koranimals; netherlands; theovangogh; vangogh
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1 posted on 11/18/2004 11:20:52 AM PST by Pikamax
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An Islamic terrorist commits a heinous act of murder, and the Dutch say that they need to calm things down by restricting free speech.

I guess the "people don't kill, guns kill" approach did not work, so they are taking the "people don't kill, free speech kills" approach.


2 posted on 11/18/2004 11:25:01 AM PST by Brilliant
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Muslim standards of acceptable free speech, she said, and asked why misogynist and homophobic comments by Islamic clerics were not to be treated in the same way.

Why, because anyone who tries to stop them could get killed. Silly question.

(steely)

3 posted on 11/18/2004 11:26:14 AM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, fhe Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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"Laetitia Griffith, an MP for the VVD liberals, said the justice minister was exploiting Mr van Gogh's murder to impose his bible-belt values on the country. "

There's a bible-belt in Holland?


4 posted on 11/18/2004 11:27:17 AM PST by Moral Hazard
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I had to read the sentence "God as a randy donkey" five times. A "randy donkey"???? anything being a randy donkey is kinda weird but God???
I kept on thinking I was misreading it.
5 posted on 11/18/2004 11:27:22 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: MVP)
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Blasphemy law revival upsets the Dutch elite

Alternate headline:

Blasphemy law revival upsets the drug addled Dutch elite, but only long enough for them to miss one visit to the local brothel.

Theo van Gogh was a cynical filthy misanthrope. But so what? So is most of Hollywood.

The Dutch don't need to enforce the blasphemy laws they need to enforce their murder and immigration laws.

6 posted on 11/18/2004 11:27:41 AM PST by AreaMan
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In response, the Dutch justice minister, Piet Hein Donner, has proposed enforcing a 1932 law banning "scornful blasphemy".

Yeah, that aut to fix everything...Ya lefty lunkhead...
7 posted on 11/18/2004 11:28:50 AM PST by Edgerunner (The left ain't right. Hand me that launch pickle...)
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>>The minister told the Dutch parliament on Tuesday that the law was needed to curb "hateful comments", whether oral or written, that were destabilising the country.

"If the opinions have a potentially damaging effect on society, the government must act," he said. "It is not about religion specifically, but any harmful comments in general."

Mr Donner, a Christian-Democrat, said strict enforcement was needed to stop "explosive material" setting off yet more violence.<<

IOW, the Dutch government surrenders to the Islamists!


8 posted on 11/18/2004 11:29:39 AM PST by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: Moral Hazard
There's a bible-belt in Holland?

I asked the same question on a previous thread. Apparently it's just the large population centers like Amsterdam that are liberal, not the countryside. In otherwords it's a blue country with lots of smaller red counties to borrow our election terminology.

9 posted on 11/18/2004 11:34:29 AM PST by NeoCaveman ("I expressed myself rather forcefully, felt better after I had done it," -- VP Cheney)
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There's a bible-belt in Holland?

There are very small pockets of Catholic and Calvinist resistance in more rural areas like Limburg.

10 posted on 11/18/2004 11:35:10 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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An Islamic terrorist commits a heinous act of murder, and the Dutch say that they need to calm things down by restricting free speech.

Should we have expected anything else?

I don't object to blasphemy laws, but I think we know which religious group this law is going to work against.

11 posted on 11/18/2004 11:36:20 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Moral Hazard

In fact, I once knew a banking trainee from Holland named Joop who would say grace at lunch every day.


12 posted on 11/18/2004 11:36:29 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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A proposal to revive a blasphemy law to calm sectarian tensions in Holland

Translation: Indulge in more self enforced Dhimmitude to appease the Koranimals.

They will love this sweet victory, and demand more.

13 posted on 11/18/2004 11:37:00 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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Man, we have the patriot act which allows different government departments to share databases, and the civil libertarians go nuts. I can't imagine what would happen if Ashcroft tried something like this.


14 posted on 11/18/2004 11:40:52 AM PST by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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The minister told the Dutch parliament on Tuesday that the law was needed to curb "hateful comments", whether oral or written, that were destabilising the country.

Will this include the Koran?

15 posted on 11/18/2004 11:41:36 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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I don't object to blasphemy laws, but I think we know which religious group this law is going to work against.

Um, so censorship is fine as long as it's not inflicted on you? Great.

16 posted on 11/18/2004 11:41:56 AM PST by ThinkDifferent (A plan is not a litany of complaints)
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To: Moral Hazard
There's a bible-belt in Holland?

Some areas of the countryside are religion. That big software company, Baan N.V. was very religious: you couldn't travel on Sunday if you worked for them (and if you did, you would absolutely not get reimbursed). Meetings began with a prayer, and management referred to each other by their pew number.

Baan NV also lost a ton of money, and was bought by a British company, which then sold it a few months ago to a private American company in Chicago called SSA Global Technologies, which has bought a bunch of software companies. But I digress.

17 posted on 11/18/2004 11:43:16 AM PST by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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It was unclear whether Theo van Gogh would have fallen foul of the law. An inflammatory provocateur, he relished denigrating Islam, Judaism and Christianity in equal measure as forms of barbarous superstition

They're justifying his murder by saying that he provoked it with his words.
18 posted on 11/18/2004 11:43:49 AM PST by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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Laetitia Griffith, an MP for the VVD liberals, said the justice minister was exploiting Mr van Gogh's murder to impose his bible-belt values on the country.

Is there a Bible Belt in the Netherlands?

19 posted on 11/18/2004 11:47:09 AM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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I guess all that European tolerance was only one molecule deep.
20 posted on 11/18/2004 11:50:24 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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