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1 posted on 11/18/2004 7:32:48 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; blam; SunkenCiv

Ping!


2 posted on 11/18/2004 7:33:16 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It's not my fault I have a big butt, blame evolution!


3 posted on 11/18/2004 7:34:37 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: MVP)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

More likely, those that ran away got to survive.


4 posted on 11/18/2004 7:34:37 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Then I say unto you, send men to summon ... worms. And let us go to Fallujah to collect heads.")
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oh brother and this is the kind of science you get when you start from a faulty premise to begin with.

how about that human beings were perfectly designed to work...six days a week.


5 posted on 11/18/2004 7:35:50 AM PST by applpie
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Long-distance running may have been a driving force behind evolution of the modern human body, scientists say. ... [H]umans began endurance running about 2 million years ago to help hunt for prey,

"Scientists"? Try "philosophers."

6 posted on 11/18/2004 7:40:35 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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Other people maybe. I'm not designed for any running, walking's fine anything faster than that just doesn't happen (except maybe towards a waiting glass of gin...).


7 posted on 11/18/2004 7:40:46 AM PST by tjwmason ("The English, the English, the English are best; I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest")
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"Without the development from running, humans would be much more like apes with shorter legs, smaller heads and a hunched posture, the scientists said."

And they are absolutely certain of this, the "scientists" said.....

8 posted on 11/18/2004 7:41:06 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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I am clearly devolving.


9 posted on 11/18/2004 7:43:22 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (I wanna be like Squantos when I grow up.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I am an engineer and I look at this stuff through those glasses. The premise is that evolution changes things over time and improves them yes? So why are we not covered with fur? Fur provides a natural covering so that we do not need to develop clothing, etc. Did evolution know that we could learn to make cloths?

Also, what is the basis of balding. As I see it, keeping the head warm has been proven to be instrumental since a huge amount of body heat is loss through the head. Did evolution know that we would be smart enough to make hats?

Just my 2 cents...


11 posted on 11/18/2004 7:44:19 AM PST by jrestrepo
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"Although it will require much more complete evidence for the evolution of the skeleton of early humans below the neck to test their ideas properly."

There's the rub.

Just how many bones are there from our so called ancestors below the neck?
How many complete skeletons are there for examination to fully understand the dynamics of evolutionary progression for this theory?

Evidence is scant or no existent!

12 posted on 11/18/2004 7:46:35 AM PST by Popman (Democrat Party Political Values are Condescension, Hypocrisy, Bigotry)
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In my spare time I like to count the fudge words in reports on the "science" of evolution. This short article has 4 "may haves" and a "may be". Throw in a "suggested" and a "plausible" for good measure. This explains why one scientist described paleontology as "fairy tales for adults".


14 posted on 11/18/2004 7:51:26 AM PST by almcbean
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I don't know if I buy this at all. The average woman certainly doesn't look "designed to run" to me. Have you ever tried running with a baby on your hip? I have - it ain't pretty.

If we're design to run, why do all the runners I know have blown out knees? And why would our ancestors run after game (practically all of which is faster than we are)? Wouldn't traps and ambushes be more effective?


15 posted on 11/18/2004 7:55:06 AM PST by Gingersnap
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Funny. I still have yet to see any causality established. All I see is an observed effect being defined as its own cause.


16 posted on 11/18/2004 7:55:06 AM PST by mike182d
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So the human body "consciously" stated to itself, "Self, we need to evolve into a running body form!"

Not a bad trick. Since each individual mutation (of which the vast majority are lethal)has no way of self-directing itself, nor determining it's individual outcome as being positive or negative to the species, we must conclude that either this was a "directed" natural selection or an accident, or never occurred.

Evolution is a theory. An unproven theory. There are other theories, and there may someday be additional theories as to how we came to exist as we are. I don't know the answer myself, but clearly evolution has holes in it big enough to drive logic through.

21 posted on 11/18/2004 8:05:52 AM PST by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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"Developed to run"? This so-called scientist comes up with long distance running as another "proof" to evolution? That they needed to run long distances to find food?

Yeah, sure, they needed to run 26 miles to get a rabbit. Like a cheetah.

Somehow our bone structure tells a different story.


22 posted on 11/18/2004 8:06:02 AM PST by rjsimmons
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But the study, published in Nature, said humans evolved big buttocks, a balanced head and longer legs to help gather food.

I can get the same result sitting in my recliner watching football ...

23 posted on 11/18/2004 8:06:19 AM PST by PMCarey
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To: TigerLikesRooster

"When Better Bodies are Built, God Will Build Them".


27 posted on 11/18/2004 8:17:07 AM PST by Uncle George
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Discussed at length yesterday:

Humans Were Born to Run, Scientists Say
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1282245/posts

29 posted on 11/18/2004 8:19:06 AM PST by gdani
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It is an interesting theory.

Here is my experience on this subject:
Used to be a financially succussful middle distance & sometime distance runner.

A few times I recall doing what for me were very mild cross-country training runs with my sisters dobermans. The first time was in 1985 with one dog and the second time was in 1987 with another dog. Both dogs were dobermans. The first dog was a male, the second was a female. Both times were in the summer with the temperature in the middle 70's. Both dogs had to be put down not long afterwards. I recall the pacing was nothing difficult, about 5:00 to 5:30 per mile pace over about 3 miles. Both dobermans were considered very active, but after the first mile they seemed to loose interest.

Did not realize what was happening at the time and regret it. Only later in a conversation with another competitive runner who is also a dog-owner saying that he would never put his dog through the sorts of training that a class runner does on a routine basis since they just aren't built for it.

31 posted on 11/18/2004 8:22:27 AM PST by NoClones
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I've always thought our uniqueness among primates (upright posture, lack of fur, large brain, subcutaneous fat layer) indicated that we evolved in an aquatic environment, probably along some ancient sea shores which are now long lost to geologic change. That would make the long distance running ability a happy coincidental benefit which our ancestors took advantage of when they returned to the land.

I know the creationists here may jump all over that comment. But let me point out that I respect their right to express their beliefs not because I agree with their conclusions but because they're correct in pointing out that darwinism is a theory. I happen to believe that the basics of that theory are most likely true (I take great exception to a lot of the details which anthropologists treat as "fact") but the dogmatic suppression of alternative ideas, theories, or beliefs is wrong.

34 posted on 11/18/2004 8:37:32 AM PST by katana
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