Posted on 11/16/2004 6:08:18 PM PST by kattracks
The president declared victory over a year ago, but terrorists continue to pick off U.S. troops and even American civilians at the rate of three per day.
The maniacal dictator may be long gone, but his hard-core followers continue to wreak havoc across the land, with the interim government seemingly powerless to stop the mayhem. Back home, the press takes an increasingly pessimistic tone, with some of the most prominent news organs pronouncing the U.S.'s postwar strategy an abject failure.
Iraq 2004? Not exactly.
Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the Nazis, they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the liberators they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North, not every conquered German welcomed the American occupation with open arms.
On Monday North detailed the little-known truth about the post-World War II U.S. experience to ABC radio host Sean Hannity:
"From May 8, 1945 until June 1946, over a thousand Americans and their dependents were killed by German terrorists," he explained, while discussing his new book, "War Stories II: Heroism in the Pacific."
So, how did the U.S. eventually quell the violence?
"General Eisenhower went to [interim German leader] Konrad Adenauer, the guy we hand-picked to run the new government," said North. "And he told him, 'You either stop this or we'll get a new guy to run this country.'"
Adenauer prompty contacted the Wermacht and told them to take care of the problem at all costs, using former SS troops if necessary.
"It wasn't pretty," said North. "There were no trials - nobody was brought before tribunals or anything like that. The German army just went out and took care of it. And the killing stopped."
Added North, "I think that's probably what's going to happen in Iraq."
somewhere in my library I have an apaprently scholarly book on the post V-E day "werewolves" or nazi resistance. mY memory is that it has a lot of interesting detailed plans by them, but it certainly didn't discuss causing deaths above a few dozen. I'll see if I can dig it out.
My husband is a historian- specializes in American Civil War- he not only has been telling me about this fact for years - when I had not heard it anywhere else- but that his father told him a lot of the ones that were resisting our boys in Normandy were the French- not all of them were glad to see us coming - and certainly were not sure we would wind up being the victors- making life for some of the Frenchies difficult to be seen helping the Allies. Do you think if Dan Blather was in charge now he would let us in on these tidbits??The Frenchies fought the Britson the sea- and fought us - but when the Germans had em cornered- they scuttled there own ships - can't trust people like this
I may add the following:
We firebombed Japan and the fighting eventually stopped.
We nuked Japan and the fighting stopped a lot quicker.
We firebombed Dresden and the fighting eventually stopped.
In Japan and Germany, we did not give a damn about the enemy "fighting from religious bunkers". Our tropps blasted the bunkers--be they religious or not.
We fought war during World War II like a war. We did not send young soldiers into urban areas to do street-to-street fighting until we LEVELED the whole city with massed artillery and carpet bombing.
We fight today like we are playing a G rated video game, while the enemy plays with R rated graphic violence.
Only when the horrors of war are brought to the enemy does the enemy break. Political correct "warfare" (or gamesmanship like it is today) will NEVER end the fighting. The only way to end the fighting is to make war so horrific for the enemy that they never want to wage war again, like Japan and Germany feel today 50 years later.
How was the insurgency quelled? Summary executions, property confiscations, and arbitrary imprisonments by Allied forces. The History Channel did a two hour on this, with film of the executions, about six months ago. There's a thread on the board about the show. Ollie and Limbacher need a fact checker. Flame Away!
You're right...this loosely knit group called themselves Werewolves. Primarily started by members of the SS, but included other ex-members of the military services.
BINGO!
I think Col. North forgot to tell the truth on this one.
The Bi-zone wasn't even established until 1947, the Federal Republic was constituted in 1949, and the Wehrmacht wasn't formed until 1950. So there was no German government or Wehrmacht to turn to in 1945-46.
As for Konrad Adenauer, in 1945 the British sacked him as mayor of Colonge. In 1946 he served in the state legislature of NordRhein then NordRhein - Westfalia after those entities were constituted (British, not American zone, by the way).
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/biografien/AdenauerKonrad/
You beat me to the post button, but I did throw in something about Adenaur.
North must get his info straight from Dan Rather.
"Historian" Oliver North. Who are they trying to kid.
The enemy within!!!
Forget about Nuremberg trial and Eichmann. In-depth Denazification of Germany never happened. It was a show for outside consumption only. It was small fry Nazis who paid the price. Big Nazi fish only got bigger tank after the war
-Almost 10,000 Nazis were transferred to U.S. as scientists, engineers and spies. Many Nazi war criminals lived as 'silent neighbors'.
-Boatloads of high ranking Nazis were sent to South America via RATLINES
-Industrialists who armed Hitler were put aside until the climate for German Industrial Wonder was ripe
-Ideologues of Nazism remained at top positions in German academia claiming to be 'victims of Nazism'
- Purveyors of Nazi propaganda were recycled and continued publishing
In Austria it was even worse. Kurt Waldheim, Nazi responsible for mass murder of Jews, Greeks and Serbs became UN Secretary General and President of Austria.
Don't forget that Germans were not the only eager and willing Hitler Nazis in Europe. Waffen SS Order of battle is the proof . (United Europe is Hitler's concept) Perhaps per capita there was more Nazis in Austria then in Germany.
The anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe today is not at all surprising when the suppresed facts are taken into consideration.
Well with the new media, we are killing the MSM too. Their age has passed. May a new day dawn.
So, how did the U.S. eventually quell the violence?
"General Eisenhower went to [interim German leader] Konrad Adenauer, the guy we hand-picked to run the new government," said North. "And he told him, 'You either stop this or we'll get a new guy to run this country.'"
Adenauer prompty contacted the Wermacht and told them to take care of the problem at all costs, using former SS troops if necessary.
"It wasn't pretty," said North. "There were no trials - nobody was brought before tribunals or anything like that. The German army just went out and took care of it. And the killing stopped."
Added North, "I think that's probably what's going to happen in Iraq."
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If Olly runs for President, I'd have to take a hard look at his political values...I sure like the guy.
This is historical nonsense. The guy has no idea of history. First of all, I´d like to see the names of all those 1,000+ dead GI´s. Secondly, Adenauer was the old and new democratic Lord Mayor of Cologne back in 1946, and the leading figure of the Christian Democrats. But it was unclear who should or will run W Germany after an election. Germany was run by the occupying powers for four years, and there was also no Wehrmacht and SS in 1946 - no German was allowed to bear a weapon in 1946.
no German was allowed to bear a weapon in 1946.
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Did anyone tell the terrorists that?
I'm glad to see you clowns are still trying to pick apart the War to Save Civilization from Jihadist Muhammadans...fargin igits.
and there was also no Wehrmacht and SS in 1946 - no German was allowed to bear a weapon in 1946.
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Are you saying that when the Government of Adanauer enlisted the good old boys to quell the terrorists they weren't given (like they turned all their weapons in, wink-wink) the weaponry with which to do it?
Sorry, you are confusing some important things. Most notably, you confuse the fight against terrorism in Iraq with WW2 respectively the time after the war. There were no terrorist structures or note-worthy activities in post-war Germany, the people had no food, they cared about the basics of life and had no wish to do more harm after the worst war ended. The Werwolfs have been just little more than a fairy gang in Goebbels mind. It is a lie to say that 1,000+ American (or even British, French) soldiers died in post-war Germany other than of illness.
And, may I remind you that the Federal Republic of Germany, and also the German Democratic Republic, were founded in 1949? The police started to work in early 1947 and before that, any German bearing a gun could have been shot by the allied.
Adenauers Government took over office from and in cooperation with the allied powers after a free election in 1949, not earlier. Adenauer had not to fight terrorists because there were simply no terrorists. This alleged comparison between Germany in 1945/46 and Iraq of last and this year is historical nonsense. Ask veterans, look up history books. Not "the Left" or someone else is trying to rewrite history, but this guy who wrote this sh**. There was also an urban legend of an article written in 1946 about these Werwolf activities, but it is nothing else than an urban legend. Look it up, inform yourself and don´t believe lies just because they could help you for a political analogy today.
IIRC, I only post to you when my computer solitaire isn't working...yeah, that's right. I don't value your posts at all, I just remembered. If you said it was raining outside, I'd go outside and confirm.
When you guys decide to stop being girly men lying down with your Arab sugar daddies, let us all know...
Are you denying the truth of history?
http://www.aicgs.org/c/livingston011004.shtml
"There is not a single documented case of an American soldier being murdered by bitter end SS men after Germany's capitulation."
And in case you didn´t know: I supported the war against Iraq and am still doing so.
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