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Posted on 11/16/2004 4:37:44 PM PST by Born Conservative
If you paid the gardener for the time, yeah.
That's why you're supposed to supervise contractors.
Judge affirms $40.7 million award to MTH
A federal court judge has affirmed a $40.7 million award to MTH Electric Trains, bringing to an end the lawsuit between MTH and Lionel over the use of stolen toy train manufacturing plans.
In addition, the court permanently banned Lionel LLC and Korea Brass from ever using the disputed design drawings or tooling developed from those drawings in the future. Judge John Corbett O'Meara denied a request made by Lionel and Korea Brass for a directed verdict.
The orders, filed Nov. 1 in federal court in Detroit, Mich., bring the civil case to its conclusion, although Lionel has stated it will file an appeal.
MTH in 2000 accused Lionel and its South Korean manufacturing partner of using drawings that were stolen in South Korea to produce locomotives. The drawings, actually computer files, were for mechanical and electrical subassemblies.
In June 2004, after an 18-day trial, jurors sided with MTH and awarded it $40,775,745 in damages.
The drawings were stolen in 1998 or 1999 from Samhongsa, MTH's former South Korean manufacturing partner, and, according to the lawsuit, were discovered in the hands of a design firm that did subcontract work for Korea Brass. Four South Koreans were arrested by South Korean authorities and subsequently convicted in the case, according to the lawsuit.
Korea Brass and its representative in the United States, Yoo Chan Yang, were defendants along with Lionel in the case.
The court found that Lionel and Korea Brass misappropriated "trade secrets" for 20 pieces, listed in court documents as the:
Baby Hudson, Baby Pacific, Starter Set Hudson Jr., Scale C&O Allegheny, Scale Union Pacific Big Boy, Scale N&W Class A, Scale Lumber Shay, Scale PRR T-1, Scale Challenger, O Gauge Tinplate Hiawatha, Scale NYC Hudson, N&W Auxiliary Tender, UP Auxiliary Tender, Baby Challenger, Scale Dryfuss Hudson (sic.), Scale PRR S-2 Turbine, Scale PRR K-4, Baby 0-8-0, Scale Empire State Express, Baby Blue Comet, Tinplate 392E.
The locomotives designated Baby Hudson, Baby Pacific, Starter Set Hudson Jr., and Baby Challenger appear in Lionel's 2004, vol. 2 catalog.
http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/005/517vkoih.asp
Just curious, how old are you?
Toy train ping.
More electro/mechanical aptitude was discovered and developed by putting the layout together and figuring out WHY it stopped dead in the middle of a track, HOW to fix it and then fixing it.
Train sets and barber shops ... sigh.
The "Quick" search only shows more recent threads.
But here's one I posted from last June (in the older "archive" search)
D.C.-area train maker wins $40.8 million against Lionel
BTW, thanks for the update.
But it's sad to see Lionel go belly up on this.
Maybe...why the Chapter 11.
Wasn't Lionel also being sued by Union Pacific for trademark infringements.
You're right; I guess I only did a quick search. Yes, it's sad to see Lionel go down like this, but they have evidently passed their prime. My son's first train was a Lionel, but after having to constantly fix the track when we ran the train, we switched to MTH, and have no regrets (MTH is superior by far, IMHO).
> Who ever heard of a three track train?
Not only are 3-rail electric systems still in common use
(such as many subways, usually using outside 3rd-rail),
3-rail electrified systems using a center 3rd/hot rail
are "prototypical" (as the rail modelling community puts it).
For example, from 1895 to 1902, the Old Colony line from
East Weymouth to Nantasket & Cohasset (Mass) was operated
using a center 3rd rail. (This line {excepting the
Nantasket branch} is presently being restored for diesel
commuter rail. If ever electrified, it will be catenary.)
When electric toy trains were being developed, there was
nothing particularly unusual about the Lionel 3-rail
O-gauge configuration.
And you can do a reverse loop without hesitation.
No, you are reading it wrong. A South Korean brass company that manufactured some of the Lionel Designs also manufactured for MTH... and someone mis-appropriated the MTH designs AT the Korean end. Lionel actually knew nothing of this until they published their catalog and MTH sued.
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In the hypothetical case presented, you would not be responsible. Example: a contractor you hired to put a roof on your house, leaves the property, breaks into your neighbor's home and steals jewelry. You would not be responsible for his crime or for reimbursing the neighbor's loss. IF, however, the contractor was acting as your agent (i.e. a cable installer who steals jewelry from the house while installing a customer's cable TV lines) and THEN committed the act, you could be responsible.
Didn't the flamboyant Roy Cohen once run the Lionel train company?
Yup, ran it right into the ground.
I used to work for:
IBM = International Business Machines.
actually no it is not.
the judgement would damage the company and thus they are entitled to use the laws.
The judgment is unsecured debt, it goes to the bottom of the creditor rankings.
I don't know what MTH stands for, but their website is http://www.mth-railking.com/
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I hate to admit this, but Microsoft has the best model trains.