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I totally agree. I heard the tape this morning; they clearly were concerned with whether one of the terrorists was faking death. They had no way of knowing if he was booby-trapped, had a grenade...what.
We always taught our soldiers to sustain fire until they were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN WITH ZERO DOUBT that the enemy had been rendered harmless.
It would be a CRIMINAL DISSERVICE to these soldiers for us to require otherwise. It will get them killed if they don't follow the above rule.
I understand that this young man or a friend of his had been injured in just such a way a some recent date.
Please write your senator, congressman, media outlets in support of this young man.
It's time to get these "imbedded" reporters the hell out of there. This is war. How can we expect our guys to fight a war with some reporter looking over their shoulder. It will cause the troops to hesitate causing more deaths and injuries on our side.
More info I heard this morning: that platoon lost a soldier to a booby-trapped bosy the previous day, and that trooper himself had been wounded in the face some time earlier (they did not say if it were hours days or more).
The insurgents lost their right to surrender when they gunned down that soldier after waving a white flag at the start of this operation.
I couldn't agree with you more.
As well, I am quite sure I've heard that some Marines have approached injured or presumed terrorists only to have them blow themselves up, killing the approaching Marine in the process.
How did Al jazeera get a copy of this video. When I heard this morning that they were playing the video I nearly had a stroke!
OUTRAGEOUS!!!
I agree 100%.
RamS
I agree with OP. This is more of the same 1960's anti Vietnam war tactics manipluations spun by the biased liberal media ho's. War is not fun, it is not pretty, it is not precise, it certainly NEVER WAS FAIR! Our military aren't expected to go into terroristic style combat zones with mind reading abilities, or as split second Dr. Phil moderating gurus. But you will notice what little to no time the biased media continues to give or ignore regarding civilian beheadings or the positives given to middle east women and children due to American soldiers efforts.
btt
My email to Mr. Sites:
SUBJECT: Ernie Pyle and You
Have you written/videotaped any stories about terrorists pretending to surrender and then shooting at Marines? ...or about wounded terrorists trying to kill Marines? ...or about Marines killed or wounded by booby trapped wounded or dead terrorists? Or are you just trying to make a name for youself? You are a perfect example of why more and more people just keep tuning out to the networks and tuning in to other sources of news. You give no context or perspective at all. You are a disgrace to the legacy of Ernie Pyle.
Not only should Kevin Sites be condemned for this disgusting report, but NBC should also be e-mailed and called. We have to take it all the way to the top and prevent the MSM from aiding the enemy. Even if we were to stop this reporter, there are a hundred more ready to step in his shoes. NBC, CBS, ABC, etc., have to be reminded that they are ultimately responsible for what they choose to put on the air!
In battle there are two errors you can make, the first is to aloud yourself to be shot, and the second is to shoot someone who should not have been shot. The line between the two is hair thin.
If you watch the video, you here a voice shouting in the background, "he's faking, he's facking.", This is a sound of alarm and implies the terrorist was still a threat. In my mind the Marine is in the right.
It seems that the Marines at the spot did not know those who they shot dead were captured terrorists by the US Armed Force that entered the mosque earlier. This factor would indicate the Marines might have shot these terrorists dead without the information they were captured, and misjudge that the terrorist was about to attack or detonate an explosive. In this case, it is more likely the Marines shot the terrorist for self defense.
BTTT!
This is the same reporter who was bad-mouthing the troops on Day 1 of the Fallujah clean-up. Someone put a choke on him, please. Where was he when our people were hanging from bridges and being beheaded???????
Unless you've been in a war (and I haven't) and know what it's like to have people trying to kill you at every moment (this soldier was wounded a few days ago), who is anyone to criticize this young patriot's actions. I will write my Congressman.
Fighting the Good Fight
Diane Alden
Thursday, Nov. 11, 2004
The other night I watched Mel Gibson's cinematic version of Colonel Hal Moore's book "We Were Soldiers Once...And Young."
I can barely sit through it without a deep wrenching in my gut. The film doesn't simply deal with the brutal battle that took place in the Ia Drang Valley; a battle that signaled the start of the REAL fighting war in Vietnam. The movie rang particularly true as it dealt with the experiences of the wives and families of the men who fought in that oddest of American wars.
I don't believe the movie is simply about the Vietnam War. It is really about the kind of men who have fought in all of America's wars. The men, and more recently the women, who fight and die and live on to protect this nation and its freedoms. They are a gift from God. Our wars of recent memory have gone beyond fighting for nothing but American interests. Hardly a war in the last 100 years has actually been about what America wanted or needed. If that were the case we would have stayed home and tended to business.
Certainly none of our recent wars were about claiming territory or treasure; that is unless you accept the notions of America haters who think nothing we have ever done, or will ever do, has any merit or goodness associated with it. For the most part, the American soldier fighting in wars America felt compelled to fight has not done so out of hatred for the enemy.
The American soldier fights for reasons I personally don't believe have ever been understood by the rest of American society. Some have fought because they were drafted. Some have served or fought because it was a way out of their particular class or personal situation.
A few have done it for adventure or to see the world. A contingent do it to prove something to themselves and others. But movies such as "We Were Soldiers" tell us a bit why young and not so young Americans put themselves in harm's way.
The American soldier fights for the people who are with him on the battlefield, for his family and those he leaves behind, and finally for his country.
One reason is not more important than the another. They are of a piece. The reasons are a seamless garment that drives men into the valley of death; to give up life, limb and time, sacrificing big chunks of youth, mental health, ambitions, for the sake of others, for country and countrymen.
Most of the time the sacrifice is for folks who could never possibly understand or fully appreciate the totality of that sacrifice. That was true in Vietnam as it was true more recently in Iraq. It is true of all wars and those who fight them. Perhaps the worst part of war isn't the possibility of dying or losing a limb. The worst part of war has always been the baggage those who return to families and their country must endure because of their experiences.
It is strange that the two wars that divided America most terribly, the Civil War and the Vietnam War, in fact, created more baggage than most.
The Civil War left half the country reeling in defeat. A defeat resolved a hundred years after the fact. On the other hand, the Vietnam War left half the young generation who fought in it, and their families, choking in stunned silence.
Up until recently Vietnam vets didn't feel comfortable speaking of "the war" or their experiences in it. Their families simply wanted to forget what was lost, what was stolen, what was made unutterable.
Unforgivable was the oppressive silence imposed on them. A silence imposed by war protestors whose hatred of America and what it stood for trumped all else including the truth. Lost to history is the notion that Vietnam was not just an Asian civil war as much as it was a war about communism and Soviet and Chinese hegemony over half the world.
Either way, America and American soldiers did not come as conquerers but as good guys trying to do what they believed would help the most people towards freedom. Silly us, idealistic us, noble us. The truth is the American soldier didn't hate the Vietnamese people. He was forced to fight those who held an ideology that was a lie and a profound evil.
The soldier in World War II didn't hate Germans. The demonic spector of Nazism and all it stood for is what forced him to sacrifice as few generations have sacrificed before.
The same may be said of the those who served in Korea, the Cold War, the Gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq and probably places we shall never know about. That sense of good and evil, right and wrong, freedom and oppression is a particularly acute American characteristic. So it is, in modern times, American wars have been about defeating those who advance the evil, cruel and deeply anti-human ideas spawned by evil men.
But when it comes down to the nitty gritty, soldiers in our times have also fought for each other, for family, for country. In America, it is our particularly quirky idea that we also fight for notions of liberty, the importance and sanctity of life, the God given rights of the individual as well as security at home and abroad. The greatest tribute to America's military came this last election cycle. The silence imposed on the Vietnam veteran has been broken. The silence created by 60s radical chic, the sincere but misguided, the ideologues who promoted the notion that all America stood for is a horror, the terminally self-righteous, defeatist; all of it lifted like a fog in the morning sun. What was truly amazing was how once strident war protestors - Hollywood stars like Barbra Streisand, John Forbes Kerry himself - actually turned military service, including service in Vietnam, into an honorable thing.
It's as though they had invented the idea of military service to the country called America and decided it was a good idea after all. What should create joy in the heart of the Vietnam vet in particular, is the sight and sound of the revisionist left presenting comparisons of who served and who did not serve in America's military.
It tickled me to see the internet flooded with dueling military records, cyber wars begun by the left, as they "exposed" military service between Democrats and Republicans. Throw in conservative media, concluding Democrats gave more service than Republicans. At that moment, for me, the Vietnam War officially ended. Our side won. The American soldier of all eras won his greatest victory in 2004. By their actions the hard left as well as those who no longer believe in what America attempts to stand for, claim military service as a sign of people who had or have the "right stuff" and those who didn't.
The great "karma fairy" flew high and proud this fall. It blessed the vets and what they accomplished as America bashers honored those they had previously despised and spit upon. This Veteran's Day, we have men and women fighting all over the world: particularly in Afghanistan and Iraq. The left senses the mood of the country and doesn't overtly condemn those serving at this time particularly since 9/11.
Meanwhile, the American soldier is being called upon to conquer another "ism." This ism is an idea and its adherents rationalize the most barbaric practices and principles on a twisted form of an ancient religion. The American soldier is expected to prevail while at the same time not harboring hatred or animosity towards the cruelest of enemies, the ungrateful it attempts to free, the contempt of American hating idealists in their own country. Nonetheless, the powers-that-be on all sides. left and right, are letting our soldiers down - again. Many of the 170,000 returning soldiers struggle as they attempt to reenter civilian life. Good paying jobs are much more scarce, red tape is exponentially voluminous, and health care for the returnees stinks.
Yet again, we are failing to honor those who have served.
As in the past we have made promises to veterans and on occasion we act like Scrooge and give them a lump of coal and call it good. Once more our promises to the American soldier are not being honored in a sincere and thorough way. Once again we are dishonoring those who kept their promise to this nation. Over the decades I have come to understand some of the reasons for all this: The problem with this nation has never been the kind of soldiers it sends into the field of battle. The problem is with the leaders who send them in harm's way and then allows them to suffer and die while it rationalizes what is politically expedient.
We have experienced leaders who fail to deliver on promises made but worse, leaders who often consider the needs of the enemy and those who support that enemy - above those of America's fighting men and women. Our national problem has always been leaders seldom as great, as honorable, as selfless, as truly American as the men and women they send into battle. With few exceptions, our soldiers and veterans, honored this nation called America. They have honored what this country stands for; the least we can do is to keep promises we made to them. Since I am into poetry these days I have to end this tribute and dedicate this to our past, present, and future soldiers, sailors, airmen and of course to my beloved Marine Corps on their 200 plus birthday. An excerpt from Vietnam veteran Gary Jacobsen's - "Oh How Can I Keep From Singing":
O, how can I keep from singing...
I’m going home
Thank God, at last I’m going home
To a place my restful soul can at last atone
Free at last from making this fevered land free
O, the parades I'll see
From a thankful nation back home waiting...
Abiding patiently is that nation I fought for
Almost died for
Gratefully loving
This favored son they sent far away to do his duty
I'll come home to open arms spread welcoming
To an indebted nation deeply caring
Beholden that for them I’ve fought the good fight
But now I’m leaving this warring land behind
To trade my hating for the loving mind
For peace I hope to find
O yes, how can I keep from singing...
The fact is our American fighting folk are overdue the honor they deserve. On this Veterans Day and all the days to come, keeping our promises to them should be a priority. It is the honorable thing to do.
I'm with you.
Having never served in combat though and as simple as I am, I still can see the Marine's actions as just because one of his buddies had been killed while taking care of an insurgent's body which was booby rigged.
As a patrol Cpl told me once - it's much better having a jury of twelve try me than for six pallbearers to lay me to rest.
The media needs a proverbial shot in the head too.