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To: TFine80

I haven't read Imperial Hubris yet, but I plan to. Scheuer's "Through Our Enemies' Eyes - Osama bin Laden, Radical Islam, and the Future of America" is pretty good. It was essentially written prior to 9/11 but was published in January, 2002, I believe.

Imperial Hubris may be wrong-headed. I won't know until I read it. Scheuer knows what he's talking about. He may be wrong, but we need to understand the other view-points, IMHO.

To all those aruging that "if Scheuer is so smart, then why hasn't he found OBL and claimed the reward?". How about making a coherent argument? You demean yourselves and this august forum with such a childish retort.


12 posted on 11/14/2004 7:29:19 PM PST by bagman
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To: bagman
I understand the other view points just fine.

The US is not an Imperial country. Never was and never will be.

I wish some critics would actually learn about different cultures around the world before pronouncing their wisdom on us.

I have been to the Middle East and the culture is sorely lacking. I have studied the history and have a level of admiration for Arab culture but the reality is far different.

Backwards Islam is not compatible with the modern world. That's how it is. If they want a reformation of the backward idealogy that is Islam, that's fine with me!

Look at Europe, witness the REALITY. Then, you can talk about the Moonbat book.

Arioch7 out.

14 posted on 11/14/2004 7:37:32 PM PST by Arioch7
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To: bagman

I agree that he knowing what he is talking about.... However, it seems to me that making excuses is one of major motivations and his desire to attack the President is not helpful.


15 posted on 11/14/2004 8:11:14 PM PST by TFine80 (Patton's Son: "There's no soap ever been invented that can wash that blood off his hands.")
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To: bagman

"To all those aruging that "if Scheuer is so smart, then why hasn't he found OBL and claimed the reward?". How about making a coherent argument? You demean yourselves and this august forum with such a childish retort."

Calm down, it's a flippant remark (I was among those who made it) but it fronts for a whole cluster of arguments about the failures of the CIA bureaucracy and the Clinton-lites to deal effectively with the rise of Osama in the '90s. We don't have to delve into a detailed argument every time we comment on this type of forum. We've been hearing John 'Hanoi' Kerry bleat for months about how he would have nailed Osama at Tora Bora (if he was even there). If this retiring CIA guy knows what needs to be done, he sure hasn't convinced enough other people in the government that he has the answers. Maybe he does have good ideas, maybe not, but I wasn't favorably impressed with how he tried to help Kerry win the election. One thing I am sure of is that the Kerry approach would take us back to the 1990s in too many ways.


16 posted on 11/15/2004 3:00:13 PM PST by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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