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Shedding light on Islam (A Moderate's Perspective)
The Memphis Commercial Appeal ^ | November 14, 2004 | Bima Said

Posted on 11/14/2004 4:32:15 AM PST by MidTown_Doc

Shedding light on Islam Although welcomed in Memphis, the faith is misunderstood

By Bima Said Special to Viewpoint November 14, 2004

When foreigners talk about the United States, they all know about New York. They all know about Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles.

I'm sure they also know about Elvis Presley and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. But not all foreigners know that Elvis was from Memphis and that rock and roll was born here.

Perhaps not all foreigners are aware that King was assassinated in Memphis, and that the National Civil Rights Museum was built on the site of the Lorraine Motel, where King was shot.

I was really delighted during my three weeks in Memphis. Participating in an International Journalism Exchange program sponsored by American Society of Newspaper Editors and International Center for Journalists, I felt lucky to have a newspaper attachment with The Commercial Appeal.

Being able to look at an American newsroom's practices was an amazing experience. But what fascinated me the most was the overall religious scene of this city.

I felt a lot of peace here; everyone was tolerant of other faiths. There are several churches, Jewish synagogues, Hindu temples and Islamic mosques. I visited the Muslim Society of Memphis (MSM) and was surprised to learn that four other mosques are in the city.

I was even more surprised when Nabil Bayakly, community relations director for MSM, told me that Muslims here were never victims of harassment as a result of the atrocities of Sept. 11, 2001.

By contrast, he told me that as many as four people convert to Islam every month, and more people are becoming interested in learning about Islam after 9/11.

Still, Americans hold numerous misconceptions about Islam. Since many Americans have asked me questions about my religion, it has come to my attention to straighten this out. Here is my list of the top 10 misconceptions about Islam.

Misconception No. 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other prophets.

Jesus is considered as one of the greatest of God's messengers to mankind. Muslims respect and revere Jesus, upon Him be peace, and await His Second Coming.

A Muslim never refers to Him simply as Jesus, but always adds the phrase "upon him be peace." The Koran confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Koran is titled "Mary"), and Mary is considered the purest woman in all creation.

Misconception No. 9: Muhammad was the founder of Islam, and Muslims worship him.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) was born in Mecca in the year 570. Because his father died before his birth and his mother shortly afterward, he was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh.

As he grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate in disputes. Historians describe him as calm and meditative.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) was of a deeply religious nature, and had long detested the decadence of his society.

It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of Hira near Mecca.

At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat, Muhammad (peace be upon him) received his first revelation from God through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which continued for 23 years, is known as the Koran.

As soon as he began to recite the words he heard from Gabriel and to preach the truth God had revealed to him, he and his small group of followers suffered bitter persecution. The persecution grew so fierce that in 622 God gave them the command to emigrate.

This event, the Hijrah or "migration" in which they left Mecca for the city of Medina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.

After several years, the Prophet and his followers were able to return to Mecca, where they forgave their enemies and established Islam definitively. Before the death of the Prophet at the age of 63, the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his death Islam had spread to Spain in the west and as far east as China.

He died with fewer than five possessions to his name.

While Muhammad (peace be upon him) was chosen to deliver the message, he is not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider Islam to be the same divine guidance sent to all peoples before.

Muslims believe all the prophets, from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, etc., were all sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was sent to his own people, but Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to all of mankind.

Muhammad is the last and final messenger sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honor him for all he went through and his dedication, but they do not worship him.

Misconception No. 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people.

Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam is the simplicity of its doctrine -- Islam calls for faith in only one God worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation.

Within a few years, great civilizations and universities were flourishing, for according to the Prophet (peace be upon him), "seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man and woman."

The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with old brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature and history.

Many crucial systems such as algebra, Arabic numerals and the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics) were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam.

Sophisticated instruments that made possible the European voyages of discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and good navigational maps.

Misconception No. 7: All Muslim men marry four wives.

The religion of Islam was revealed for all societies and all times, and so it accommodates widely differing social requirements. Circumstances may warrant the taking of another wife but the right is granted, according to the Koran, only on condition that the husband is scrupulously fair.

No women can be forced into this kind of marriage if they do not wish it, and they have the right to exclude it in their marriage contract.

Polygamy is neither mandatory nor encouraged, but merely permitted. A man is only allowed at most four wives only if he can fulfill the stringent conditions of treating each fairly.

Permission to practice polygamy is not associated with mere satisfaction of passion. It is rather associated with compassion toward widows and orphans. It was the Koran that limited and put conditions on the practice of polygamy among the Arabs, who had as many as 10 or more wives and considered them "property."

It is honest and accurate to say that it is Islam that regulated this practice, limited it, made it more humane and instituted equal rights and status for all wives. It is also evident that the general rule in Islam is monogamy and not polygamy. A very tiny percentage of Muslims throughout the world practice it.

Misconception No. 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group.

Islam and the so-called Nation of Islam (NOI) are two different religions. NOI is more of a political organization because its members are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain.

The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used by both. NOI is a misnomer; this religion should be called Farrakhanism, after its propagator, Louis Farrakhan.

Islam and Farrakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example, Farrakhan followers believe in racism and that the black man was the original man and is therefore superior. In Islam, there is no racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of God, the only difference being in one's piety.

There are many other theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little to do with true Islam. There are many groups in America that claim to represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.

Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the true Islam. Malcolm X is an example of an NOI member who later found the true Islam, realizing that it is much different than NOI. After finding the true Islam, Malcolm X changed his name to Al-Hajj Malik al-Shabazz.

Misconception No. 5: All Arabs are Muslims.

Not all Muslims are Arabs, and not all Arabs are Muslims. The Muslim population of the world is around 1.2 billion. One out of five people in the world is a Muslim.

Muslims are a vast range of races, nationalities and cultures from around the globe -- from the Philippines to Nigeria -- and are united by their common Islamic faith. Only about 18 percent live in the Arab world; the largest Muslim community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan. Thirty percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20 percent in sub-Saharan Africa, 17 percent in Southeast Asia, 18 percent in the Arab world, and 10 perent in the Soviet Union and China.

Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan make up 10 percent of the non-Arab Middle East. Although Muslim minorities are in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia, they are most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, and in India and central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United States.

Misconception No. 4: Islam was spread by the sword and is intolerant of other faiths.

Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Koran in the other, conquering and forcibly converting. That is not a correct portrayal of history.

Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. The Koran says: "God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loves those who are just (Koran 60:8)."

Freedom of religion is laid down in the Koran itself: "There is no compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam).The right direction is distinctly clear from error (Koran 2:256)."

It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance toward other faiths, such as when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.

Proclaiming to the inhabitants that their lives and property were safe and that their places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all the holy places.

Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or not.

Racism is not a part of Islam; the Koran speaks only of human equality and how all peoples are equal in the sight of God. "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in piety. God is All-Knowing, All-Aware (Koran 49:13)."

Misconception No. 3: Muslims worship a different God.

Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Allah for Muslims is the greatest and most inclusive of the names of God. It is an Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and ascribing no partners to Him.

It is exactly the same word the Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word Jesus Christ used in Aramaic when he prayed to God. God has an identical name in Judaism, Christianity and Islam; Allah is the same God worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews.

Muslims believe Allah's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in the pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His messengers and prophets who were sent at various times and in many places throughout history.

However, it should be noted that God in Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not have a son or have associates, nor does He have human-like attributions as found in other faiths.

Misconception No. 2: Islam oppresses women.

The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most people's thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that oppress women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam.

Many of these countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law), and introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender equity.

Islam, on the other hand, gives men and women different roles, and equity between the two is laid down in the Koran and the example of the Prophet (peace be upon him).

Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of her property and earnings. A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own personal use, and she keeps her family name rather than taking her husband's.

Both men and women are expected to dress in a way that is modest and dignified. The Messenger of God (peace be upon him) said: "The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife."

Violence of any kind toward women and forcing them against their will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple, legal agreement in which either partner is free to include conditions.

Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a last resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to marry against her will.

Misconception No. 1: Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists.

Even before the 9/11 attacks, this was already the biggest misconception in Islam. It no doubt resulted from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media give Islam.

When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic IRA guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times have we heard the words "Islamic fundamentalist" linked with violence?

Politics in so-called Muslim countries may or may not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should go to the source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says from what is portrayed in the media.

Islam literally means "submission to God," and is derived from a root word meaning peace.

Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West, whereas Islam is considered a way of life for Muslims, and they make no division between secular and sacred in their lives.

Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock.

The Koran says: "Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors (Koran 2:190)."

War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law.

The term "jihad" literally means struggle. Muslims believe there are two kinds of jihad. The other jihad is the inner struggle of the soul that everyone wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner peace.

Contact Bima Said at bima.prameswara@waspada.co.id


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To: winner3000
The first huge problem with the credibility of Islam is that they recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet. Since Jesus Christ said He was God, he cannot be a prophet. He can either be who He says He is (God), or he can be a blasphemer, or crazy person. The fact that the Koran is so wrong about Jesus shows you cannot trust anything else in it.

The way the Koran gets around this is by saying that the Gospels are altered from the actual word of God, and that only in the Koran is the true account revealed, directly from God to Mohammod.

Therefore any inconsistency between the Koran and the Gospels is due to the false writings of those who wrote down the Gospels. IOW, what Jesus said is only accurately rendered in the Koran, and therefore the Koran is consistent with Jesus, by definition

101 posted on 11/14/2004 8:36:22 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: GeekDejure
The Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities and grammatical errors. Could the Creator of this Universe possibly be as ignorant as He appears to be in the Quran???

You're cooking...

The Quran is so "nuanced" it sounds like it was written by John Kerry.

102 posted on 11/14/2004 8:38:36 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: GeekDejure
Could the Creator of this Universe possibly be as ignorant as He appears to be in the Quran???

...would the creator of the universe condone the stoning of a little girl for adultery when she was raped by older brother or uncle.

103 posted on 11/14/2004 8:41:46 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie
I think they are "PROUD" of the barbarism of their cult. It is a bloodletting cult. People need to use the word 'CULT' instead of religion.

I know I said cult repeatedly. I did it on purpose. That word has to be associated with the word islam.

104 posted on 11/14/2004 8:42:17 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Kolokotronis
I agree that virtually all of this article is an apologetic, but it does have some interesting and informative points for the Western reader. For example, the writer comments that religion permeates every aspect of life in a Mohammedan country. This is certainly true. It is also true in Orthodox countries though not to the extent that it does in Islam. Those of you familiar with daily life in Orthodox countries can understand what I am saying. In the West, the only places I can think of where religion played a role even close to this in the modern era are Ireland and Poland.

A major difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity offers its followers lofty moral ideals but leaves the practical applications to individuals, communities and nations. There are also disagreements between various Christian sects on both moral and theological issues but no one is persecuted for dissenting. Islam, on the other hand, is all-encompassing manual to not only ethics, but economics, politics, everything. There is a website that is occasionally mentioned on FR called "Ask the Imam" (www.asktheimam.com) where believers ask for religious guidance regarding the most mundance matters (my favorite is whether or not it was Islamic to peel a banana from the bottom -- the answer was no). In traditional Islam, there is no room for freedom or personal choice in anything -- EVERYTHING is governed by religious law.

If you think about it, this probably means that a traditional Muslim has a problem with the idea of self-government, of democracy or a constitutional republic: he doesn't know how to think for himself, he fears freedom, he prefers to be told what to do. If he votes, he'll probably vote the way his imam or mullah tells him, which renders the action meaningless.

105 posted on 11/14/2004 8:44:35 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: pbrown

I completely agree...they make Charles Manson look like a meek, mild-mannered librarian


106 posted on 11/14/2004 8:44:43 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie
'The qur'an is so "nuanced" it sounds like it was written by John Kerry'.

I love it. You hit the nail on the head.

107 posted on 11/14/2004 8:45:58 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: weenie

The Quran is so "nuanced" it sounds like it was written by John Kerry.
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I think you're on to something there... 'cuz Mohammud (may pyss be upon him) was unable to read and write !!!


108 posted on 11/14/2004 8:49:28 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: John Thornton
It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world.

Hogwash. According to Islamic law, unbelievers may not build new places of worship nor repair already-existing ones. Church bells may not be rung. In various ways, the second class status of non-Muslims was pressed upon them: a special tax for the "privilege" of continuing to practice their faith, special clothes, prohibition from holding high government position, forbidding a Muslim woman from marrying a non-Muslim man but allowing the reverse, etc.

In practice, occasional Muslim rulers ignored these rules, and nowadays in some Muslim countries there is legal equality between Muslims and non-Muslims (on paper), but that is contrary to traditional Islamic law and attitudes.

109 posted on 11/14/2004 8:53:57 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: MidTown_Doc
Islam is a phantom of the Judio/Christian religion and the two groups do not worship the same God, period. Jews and Christians worship I Am, Jehovah.

Islam worships Allah, and Allah is a complete 180 degrees from the "One" that Jews and Christians worship.
110 posted on 11/14/2004 8:57:38 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: weenie

...would the creator of the universe condone the stoning of a little girl for adultery when she was raped by older brother or uncle.
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Of course... that is to say, providing the supposed creator was Satan... in the form of that diabolical moon god known as Allah !!!




111 posted on 11/14/2004 8:57:47 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: weenie; pbrown
You sound like the type that the concentration camps in Europe had....  ...Are you perhaps a democrat in disguise...
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Whoa, hold on guys, I like food fights as much as the next guy ("you're a democrat." "no, you're a democrat") but maybe we're misunderstanding each other.   I thought you wanted to kill 1.3 billion people.   I was wrong.  We shouldn't assume that anyone here wants mass death for billions.  Let's all say that no one here likes mass death.  

My point is that condemning Islam because some so-called Moslems do, means we have to condemn Christianity too.  Some of them ran death factories to murder millions of members of inferior religions --factories run by workers with crosses and "God is on our side" on the uniforms to prove they were not a member of one of those blood thirsty cults.

Y'all are probably going to say that the Nazis weren't really Christians and that Christianity forbids such behavior.  Sounds like what Moslems in the article that Doc posted are saying about Islam.

112 posted on 11/14/2004 8:58:34 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Kolokotronis
A Muslim scholar states that the Muslims controlled Greece while allowing freedom of religion for the Christians. Would you consider that a true statement?

You can take the fifth. It will not be held against you.
113 posted on 11/14/2004 9:00:29 AM PST by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: MidTown_Doc
Moderate Islam = !

114 posted on 11/14/2004 9:02:04 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: expat_panama
My point is that condemning Islam because some so-called Moslems do, means we have to condemn Christianity too.

The difference is that Islam condones torture, honor killings, the abuse of women, death to the infidel, and on and on and on...

Christianity does not condone any of those things.

When a muslim does any of those things, he is acting according to his religion.

When a Christian does, he is stepping out of the will of God and is violating his covenant with Jesus.

115 posted on 11/14/2004 9:06:06 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: expat_panama
You border naivete. Or you are totally clueless. I hope it's the former because we can work with that.

The 1.3 billion are ready, willing and able to kill the remaining 4.7 billion non-muslims on this planet. You don't seem to have a problem with that. I do.

How dare you insinuate or even compare what we are saying to Nazism. You are deluding yourself if you think we can all sit in a circle holding hands and sing kun-bah-yah. I will attribute to your apparent naivete.

When it comes to protecting myself and my family, I will not count on you to protect the American way of life. You are an appeaser that is clear. I, on the other hand believed when Bush said, You're either with us....or against us.

P.S. We kicked the Nazis asses for pulling that %hit...didn't we..

116 posted on 11/14/2004 9:14:17 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: MidTown_Doc

""Many crucial systems such as algebra, Arabic numerals and the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics) were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. "

And lately, what has Islam accomplished? The entire GDP - minus oil - of the Middle East is less than that of Finland.

Arabs can't even build a washing machine and probably wouldn't know what to do with it if they did.

The roughly 200 million Arabs look down upon all other Muslims. Muslim children must learn the Koran in Arabic even though they don't have any idea what the words mean.

Muhammad was illiterate, had visions and scribes wrote those visions down - some accurately some inaccurately.

There is no chronology to the Koran - it appears to be arranged "largest first, smallest last."

The practice of Islam today proposes that all civilizations regress to the 6th century. It ain't gonna happen - get over it.


117 posted on 11/14/2004 9:16:56 AM PST by matchwood
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To: MidTown_Doc
...rock and roll was born here[Memphis]...

Its really funny when homegrown FOREIGNERS like Bima Said presume to know ANYTHING about the origins of American Culture and then publically demonstrate they are IGNORANT TURD-WORLDERS[sic].

Even a cursory look reveals information from Gospel Music, Chess Records, 1950's Cleveland Dee-Jays and singles such as Rocket-88 none of which have anything to do with Memphis and the much beloved World Famous Grand Ole Opry.
118 posted on 11/14/2004 9:17:37 AM PST by pyx (RULE #1 The LEFT lies. RULE #2 See RULE #1)
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To: miltonim
"A Muslim scholar states that the Muslims controlled Greece while allowing freedom of religion for the Christians. Would you consider that a true statement?

You can take the fifth. It will not be held against you."

Well, if you take the statement within the context of the times, it is partially true. The Greeks were held in a state of dhiminitude which most times meant that they were subject to one petty (or not so petty) insult after another. Rather like in Egypt today. Occasionally there were real pogroms. At others we were not allowed to educate our children in the Faith or history of the Greek people and developed the "Secret Schools" to teach the children. The kids would travel by moonlight to a cave somewhere where the priest would teach them about the Faith, how to read and write etc. If the children were caught, it was off to Turkey with them and the if the priest were caught, death. At some times, the Turks would come to a village and kidnap the most handsome and strong young boys and the prettiest girls and take them off to Constantinople, the boys to be converted to Mohammedans and made into Janissaries and the girls thrown into the harem. One of my ancestresses was carried off to the harem but escaped and walked, at night, all the way back to her village in Southern Greece. If a Greek converted to Mohammedanism and then wanted to convert back to Orthodoxy, he or she would uniformly be executed, throughout the entire period of the Turkokratia. By the late 1700s a Greek political consciousness had developed and that, along side the Orthodox Faith is what gave rise to the Greek Revolution.

All of the foregoing notwithstanding, most of the time the Turks pretty much left the Greeks alone. Frankly, Greek overlords might, save in the religious arena, have been nearly as bad as the Turks on a day to day basis.
119 posted on 11/14/2004 9:43:54 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Siamese Princess
You make a good point. The role of the Church in the West notwithstanding, in the Orthodox East the people have always played a major role in the Church and have never, ever, felt compelled to keep silent in the face of hierarchial misconduct or heresy. While democracy was certainly not current in a secular sense during the days of the Turkokratia, nevertheless the essential Christian democracy of Orthodoxy meant that we developed along social and political lines (really Hellenistic lines) which were and are antithetical to Islam. Interestingly, a few years back my town was visited by a delegation from the Palestinian Authority. Because several of them were Orthodox Christians, we were invited to host the group one evening. I spent a long time discussing political views with several of the Mohammedans in the group and was surprised to here from them purely Hellenistic social ideals. When I asked them about the Ulema and Sharia, they scoffed and said that was for the lunatic fringe under the influence of the Saudis and the Egyptian Brotherhood. I don't think they were lying, though it is clear that the lunatic fringe has gained substantial ground among Palestinians since then.
120 posted on 11/14/2004 9:53:52 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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