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Clash of Civilizations (Holland)
Newsweek ^ | Nov. 22 issue | Stryker McGuire

Posted on 11/14/2004 1:49:34 AM PST by Eurotwit

What's wrong with this picture? The airspace over the city is declared off-limits to all unauthorized aircraft. Some 200 police, including rooftop snipers and antiterror forces in balaclavas and bulletproof armor, descend on a neighborhood near the main train station..."We cannot let ourselves be blinded by people who seek to drag us into a spiral of violence," the prime minister tells a shaken nation.

So what's wrong? The city is The Hague, and the country is the Netherlands—famed for tidy bicycle lanes, a well-mannered citizenry and the court where Slobodan Milosevic is on trial for war crimes. It underscores the fact that the clashes of civilization taking place at the global level—between Muslims and Christians, between religious fundamentalism and secularism—are also unfolding inside individual communities and countries on a smaller but still dangerous scale. And it shows that the war on terror is sometimes just down the street... Watching events unfold in the Netherlands, the rest of the region knows it's looking into a mirror. The once admired Dutch "polder model" has grown increasingly ill suited to today's Europe, much less tomorrow's. Already the Netherlands has the second largest Muslim population in Europe in percentage terms (6 percent, compared with 7 percent in France). Britain, Denmark and Sweden all have just over 3 percent. Norway, Finland and Ireland have among the smallest Muslim populations in Western Europe, under 1 percent. But even in such countries, tensions often run high because of the speed at which the Muslim community has grown.

The fanatical blow of an assassin against a filmmaker on a busy Amsterdam street thus, rightly or wrongly, becomes part of a chain stretching from the World Trade Center and Bali through the Madrid train bombings to Abu Ghraib and Fallujah.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; jihadineurope; jihadinholland; koranimals; netherlands; religionofpeace; religionofpieces
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To: Eurotwit

The Netherlands didn't force immigrant Muslims to learn Dutch, thus ensuring that they'd live in ghettos and be unable to better themselves -- a recipe for disaster. The US has at a conservative estimate, 13 million illegal Hispanics. They need to learn English if we're not planning to send them all packing. English should be made the US official language no matter what.


21 posted on 11/14/2004 4:28:07 AM PST by hershey
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To: clee1
Oh yeah. The equine fecal excretia is about to violently collide with a rotory oscillator.

Great line -- I'm going to remember that. Very true, too, along with your tagline.

22 posted on 11/14/2004 4:32:44 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: JesseHousman
How incongruous and ironic that The Hague is where Slobodan Milosevic is on trial for waging war on muslims who encroached on Christian Yugoslav territory. Now the Dutch are coming to full realization that they are having serious problems with muslims encroaching on their turf.

He's probably chuckling to himself.

23 posted on 11/14/2004 4:36:08 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: Eurotwit

It's reported that those who can are getting out of Holland before it's too late. A French columnist was talking about this vis a vis France just a few months ago. Same problem, same results. Scared people with money leaving. He thought it would take another couple of years to happen, but it looks like he was wrong.


24 posted on 11/14/2004 5:01:28 AM PST by hershey
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To: WarPaint

That article yesterday about Muslim terrorists learning Spanish, living in Mexico for a year and then coming over the border...plus the post about Al Qaeda hooking up with radical, violent Hispanic gangs and Maryland police being targeted. So they're here and getting busy.


25 posted on 11/14/2004 5:05:39 AM PST by hershey
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To: tkathy
I have hear percentages much higher.

And they're all wrong. Check the CIA factbook for the correct information.

26 posted on 11/14/2004 5:07:23 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Eurotwit
between religious fundamentalism and secularism

Oh yeah. We all know about those Baptist Homicide bombers and the Catholic Beheaders. /sarcasm

sorry it's only ONE pseudo religion thats the problem, and CAN'T live in peace with any of it's neighbors. The Mohammedans.
27 posted on 11/14/2004 5:11:24 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Da_Shrimp

Where is the CIA factbook?


28 posted on 11/14/2004 5:18:18 AM PST by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

The problem is Islam - it teaches hate. The sooner the Christian world wakes up to that fact the better.


29 posted on 11/14/2004 5:21:02 AM PST by WhatHappenedtoAmerica
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To: Eurotwit; All
The sentence below exposes the TRUE hypocrisy of the diversity-loving, open-minded liberals of Europe. They will let you live there but they really don't want you to become a part of their society. Thom Friedman of the NYT talked about this a great deal pointing to how being in Europe turned previously moderate Muslims like 911 mastermind Atta into fundamentalist nuts due to the unwelcoming environment. Nothing excuses the Muslims but let's not forget Europeans are not what they claim to be.

By funding religious schools that isolated many migrant children from mainstream Dutch life and by not doing enough to encourage immigrants to learn Dutch, even as job prospects were diminishing, the government created ghettoes of discontent, especially among those who came from outside Europe.

30 posted on 11/14/2004 5:40:24 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: Eurotwit
"We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality."
~Ayn Rand~

"We cannot let ourselves be blinded by people who seek to drag us into a spiral of violence."

No. You cannot let yourselves be blinded by your own denial, i.e. your own refusal to face reality.

"We Dutch are easy prey."

Note the inferences of "victimhood" and self-congratulation.

"We're vulnerable because we're a soft, tolerant society."

No, you're vulnerable because you refuse to face reality.

Any good thing taken sufficiently to its extreme becomes a bad thing. This is the ancient Greek concept of nemesis. Tolerance is no exception.

Furthermore, being realistic about the limits of tolerance does not mean that you must abandon tolerance.

31 posted on 11/14/2004 6:37:51 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush!)
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To: tkathy
Where is the CIA factbook?

Click the link to go to the page for the UK. The pertinnt facts regarding the Muslim population is about 1/3 the way down the page.
There are 1.5 million Muslims in the UK, out of a total population of over 60 million. I'll let you do the maths to find out the percentage ;-)

32 posted on 11/14/2004 7:23:03 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: tkathy
Ooops! Forgot link!

CIA Factbook UK

33 posted on 11/14/2004 7:23:58 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Savage Beast
Any good thing taken sufficiently to its extreme becomes a bad thing. This is the ancient Greek concept of nemesis. Tolerance is no exception.

Thank you, I have been looking for a good line to apply to various things, in this case tolerance, but can be applied equally well to immigration, and diversity. Well spoken, (and the etimology is nemesis, very interesting)

34 posted on 11/14/2004 7:43:49 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: lepton

bookmark bump

Dutch crackdowns


35 posted on 11/14/2004 8:04:42 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
Words and the concepts behind them are fascinating, and the etymology (by the way, you got a typo there) really makes the use of words more precise. There's a dictionary and thesaurus icon on my toolbar, and it's easy to check precise meaning etc.

The different concepts and viewpoints inherent in the words of different languages are also fascinating. Greek concepts are particularly interesting. Sanscrit too.

By the way again, I used the word "inferences" incorrectly in post #31. I hate it when that happens. I meant to say, "Note the implications of 'victimhood' and self-congratulation" or, better, "Note the implicit 'victimhood' and self-congratulation."

I appreciate your note. Thanks.

36 posted on 11/14/2004 8:08:53 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Pickled pigs feet?


37 posted on 11/14/2004 8:34:57 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: JesseHousman

I remember 60 Minutes did an interview with Karadzic (sp?), the Bosnian Serb leader a few years back. The guy is pretty much a war criminal, but he made the point that soon, all of Europe was going to have the same problem with Muslims as Bosnia did. 60 Minutes used it to show what a nut he was, but day by day he's looking more and more right.


38 posted on 11/14/2004 10:08:51 AM PST by Mr.Clark (From the darkness....I shall come)
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To: Eurotwit
View Theo Van Gogh's movie here: Submission 
39 posted on 11/15/2004 6:46:37 PM PST by joyhalcyon (Your conscious is the voice of God.)
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