Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
The time for talk about doing something about Roe V Wade is past. Now the Republicans and the President have it in their power to put pro-life judges on the SCOTUS.
If they don't, they will regret it dearly!
Anyway look, you seem to at least partially agreed with my main point: that if a women choses abortion is it partially due to the pro-lifers not givening a strong enough case for life. You looked at it from the other side, that the pro-choice education is too strong, but it's really the same thing. We are putting forth an alternative viewpoint, and we need to win in the arena of public opinion, and convince women with this choice that life is the way to choice.And I maintain that we will not be able to do so if we come across as heartless bastards.
Exactly!!!
Dear tpaine,
"Do you accept the fact that the instant after conception, a woman still has basic human rights, and that her just fertilized human egg arguably does not?"
I accept the first clause, not the second. The newly-created human being also enjoys natural rights.
Rights do not come from recognition by the government. All human beings have natural rights. The instant after conception, a woman still enjoys her natural rights. So does the newly-created human being within her.
"--- And, that it is an unresolved Constitutional question as to exactly when that fertilized human egg develops into a person with rights of its own?"
Well, that's another argument. The Supreme Court of 1973 hijacked the whole question. Nonetheless, rights precede states and governments, and precede government recognition thereof.
If rights are inalienable (do you believe that?), then they inhere as a matter of existence. If a human being exists, she has inalienable rights.
One of those is to life.
The existence of a human being begins at the conception of the human being. Thus, the human being's fundamental rights also begin at that point.
"Until you can honestly admit that governments have no power to decide those issues, we will have to let juries, operating under due process, do it."
Governments certainly have the power to recognize the rights that inhere inalienably to human beings. In fact, to this they are obligated.
That is why there are laws against various sorts of unjust homicide, theft, fraud, etc.
Deciding the facts of an individual case, guilt or innocence, whether or not someone actually transgressed the law, is the job of the jury.
Making law that protects the rights of ALL human beings is the job of the government.
That's the American way.
sitetest
I agree, this will be my last political season for anything/anyone with an (R) by their name if they screw the pooch at this point...I simply will not be played anymore, nor will my leadership.
You're nuts. The last thing we need is families making babies they can't afford to feed, clothe and house. And even for those that can, families with large numbers of children of necessity deprive all of those children of love and attention. A parent simply does not have enough time to go around. We don't live in Old Testament times or the Middle Ages, when children died like flies during early childhood, women died at age 30, and families needed to be large to work the land and hunt. We live in a society with limited resources and limited space; and the last thing we need is for every family to have 15 children. Not to mention that pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding are tremendously draining on a woman's body. A woman needs time to regain her strength and energy between babies.
There are plenty of Islamic countries who have banned abortion. Which to me is quite ironic, considering our war against islamic fundamentalists. Seems like if its a religious dictatorship you are after in terms of abortion there are plenty of places you could move to which have views closer to your own. Saudi Arabia comes to mind.
If religious law is what you are after there are plenty of places you could study/live in which will give you a better idea of what a religious dictatorship looks like.
If abortion is the greatest evil the world has ever seen why aren't you supporting these islamic fundamentalists who are quite opposed to abortion?
You people are insane.
What is the origin of the word 'human' anyway?
It's part of the Communists' evolution tripe, isn't it? Species of animals and all... ;)
I do forget about this aspect of it. Planned Parenthood's fiscal viability must depend greatly on the abortion mills.
There are over 3000 crisis pregnancy and pregnancy aid centers in the United States. This is a major way of pouring large sums of money down the toilet, costing those who support them many millions of dollars in the aggregate. It is not a business at all. It is a money-losing proposition.
I never knew this. God bless all involved and you too for you forceful, articulate defense of those tiny, defenseless, tykes.
The pro-choice people will have to invent another language if they are ever to be able to truly defend choice. This language has proved to be their enemy. They have to cloak all of their dialogue to be even able to step up to the podium.
It's not possible to convicingly defend the indefensible in any current languages, anyway.
So you support abortion?
Hefner..
Hugh Hefner..
Playboy..
Yeah, if you're macho, sexist, then you're a "Hugh-man"..
Yeah, that's the ticket..
What we are doing is trying to hold the GOP accountable and you seem to think we're trying to hold it hostage. The party has a very solid Pro-Life plank. Decisive action, not mere lip service is what is required to end the holocaust. We're trying to raise it to a more Pro-Life level--that is a GOOD thing.
Correction: There is no such position in reality called 'pro-choice'.
You either advocate the slaughter of babies or you don't...
Not if those new judges honored their oaths to support the Constitution.
"Due process" is a well established Constitutional right. It even applies to pregnant women, believe it or not.
Abortion is due process? Read your own tag-line. 374 narses
How dense can you get kid? -- States that decree early term abortion to be murder violate due process for the women so accused.
And when you insist that you have a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of that woman, Jefferson frowns.
But killing the BABY, that is OK?
No one can argue against your outbursts of irrational emotion, kiddo. Keep it up, and you'll get the thread killed.
Is that what you want?
Wow, it is clear you aren't Catholic. Atheist like your namesake?
I was confirmed Catholic, but soon realized that I didn't know it all. I'm agnostic, and you're getting personally offensive.
Take such BS to the backroom.
That's right...
Errr, in 1967, abortion was not a legal option, and the only options I recall were marriage, going away and giving the baby up for adoption, or a back-alley abortion. None of those were regarded as "heroic" at that point in time; unwed pregnancy was shameful.
Pro-death tripe, each child added to a family increases the amount of love in the home. If we didn't live in a socialist economy where the family is robbed of 40% or more if its income mothers wouldn't need to work outside the home. There's a lot of modernist nonsense in your thinking, too much to even go into here. I recommend you study some of the writings at Turnabout to gain some insight on the managerial liberal society we live in.
This is an assertion with no basis in fact. Women have been aborting or trying to abort babies from the beginning of time. I am pro-life, but practice birth control. I am a 43 year old working woman with 3 kids, one of whom is autistic and another who has a metabolic disorder. I don't need one or two or three more kids to divide up my time and energy. Most of us are capable of the kind of complex moral reasoning that allows us to separate birth control from abortion.
Show me where our government has the power to enforce such an 'Amendment'..
You need to lighten up on Specter; he took his remarks back and he's not going to be appointed unless he agrees to their demands.
Live with it.
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